White Privilege and Racial Injustice

Sunday, June 7, 2020
First Aired:
Sunday, February 14, 2016

What Is It

“White privilege” has become a buzzword in discussions about racial inequality and racial justice. The call to “check your privilege” appeals to those privileged to acknowledge the various ways they receive special treatment that others don’t. But when white people explicitly acknowledge their privilege, does this do anything to further racial equality? Is talking about “white privilege” just a way to assuage white liberal guilt? Instead of unequal privilege, should we be more focused on equal rights? What kind of theory of justice is required to improve black lives? John and Ken check their privilege with Naomi Zack from the University of Oregon, author ofWhite Privilege and Black Rights: The Injustice of U.S. Police Racial Profiling and Homicide.

Listening Notes

Isn’t white privilege just another term for racial injustice? Isn’t racial injustice just another term for white privilege? John and Ken open the show with these questions. Do the problems behind racial injustices in the United States, particularly behind blacks and whites, stem from white privilege or the violation of black rights? What is the real distinction between these two options, and what would it mean for a solution?

John and Ken are joined by Naomi Zack, professor of philosophy at the University of Oregon and author of白人特权,黑人权利:美国警察种族定性和谋杀的不公正。扎克解释了她这本书背后的一些动机,声称警察杀害黑人是侵犯黑人权利而不是白人特权的一个例子。她将特权区分为一种特殊待遇或优势,这与不尊重有色人种的基本权利不同。Ken质疑这种区分是否会对解决这些问题产生实际影响,而Zack坚持认为会。

Callers join in the discussion with their questions. One caller brings up the privilege of certain populations being unaffected by drug prosecution in comparison to less-privileged groups. In reaction, Zack and our hosts discuss the practical needs of a society in which issues take time to resolve and more severe issues demand priority. The episode ends with a conversation about the status of modern society and whether we still live in a white supremacist country.

  • Roving Philosophical Reporter (seek to 6:38): Shuka Kalantari speaks with two residents of Oakland, one white and one person of color, about racial injustices in their community.
  • 60-Second Philosopher (Seek to 45:57): Ian Shoales speaks about his experience with his own white privilege and how it has come up in the current election.

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Harold G. Neuman

Friday, October 12, 2018 -- 12:57 PM

历史就是历史。But,

历史就是历史。但是,让我们假设美国的历史从来没有包括奴隶制。这是否仍然意味着白人特权是一个值得关注的问题,或者,这是否意味着那些通过移民或其他选择的移民来到这里的人,与其他居民、种族、肤色和/或国籍一样,享有同样的权利、义务和特权?这是否意味着一本关于白人特权的书将没有吸引力,或者关于平等的问题将不得不以不同的方式构建?你关于流行语的观点很明显:有很多流行语。我是白人(你从这篇评论中就知道了)。而且,我想,在一般的观点中,基因事实使我享有特权。倘使。还有,在街角的Get Go便利店买一杯咖啡只要99美分。不过我得搬家了。 Increases in property taxes; school tax levies and other living costs are rendering my retirement income null and void. So much for, uh, privilege. Yeah...

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sminsuk

Friday, June 12, 2020 -- 11:41 AM

That's a misuse of the "that

这是对“再加99美分就能买到一杯咖啡”的陈词滥调的误用。它通常用来表示另一个因素无关紧要或毫无价值;只有99美分很重要。但在白人享有特权的情况下,一个人通常需要*两者*才能喝到那杯咖啡。只有99美分而没有特权的人,有时无论花多少钱也买不到咖啡。即使你从字面上理解,这也是真的:不久前的新闻中有一个事件,一个黑人在星巴克只顾着自己的生意,却被毫无理由地当作罪犯对待,并被逮捕。事实上,当我去谷歌查找它时,我发现了它以及第二个类似的事件。我认为两次会成为一种趋势。
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/us/starbucks-arrest-agreements/index.html
https://www.fox13news.com/news/man-says-he-was-kicked-out-of-brandon-sta...

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britch

Wednesday, October 31, 2018 -- 5:12 PM

America is a violent nation,

美国从一开始就是一个充满暴力的国家。这种持续不断的暴力与尖锐的资本主义融合在一起。这两者定义了国家的行为。这些话是相当不真实的,因为他们总是衡量行动。

In remains to be seen whether or not a nation conceived in violence and dedicated to the proposition that all men and women can achieve class exclusiveness through wealth will perish from the Earth sooner or later.

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sminsuk

Friday, June 12, 2020 -- 11:14 AM

This discussion really missed

这次讨论真的没有切中要害。举个例子,一个黑人遭遇了警察的无端暴力,甚至谋杀。你认为这种差别对待是代表白人拥有“特权”,还是只是像其他人一样受到应有的对待。或者从另一个角度来看,黑人是缺乏特权,还是被剥夺了他们的权利?我可能会同意你的答案,但这个答案无关紧要,因为它完全没有抓住重点。你需要看的是其他所有人——那些没有卷入那次事件的人。所有黑人都背负着这样的负担,他们知道自己受到这样的待遇。他们的生活中没有一天不受到虐待的威胁。只有黑人父母必须和他们的孩子“谈谈”,解释如何最好地降低被警察杀死的几率。白人有特权从来不用考虑这些。 We can go through our days carelessly, in that regard. That changes everything. Of course the Black person who is targeted, has their rights violated. But the *expectations* that white people get to have, and that others, especially Black people, distinctly don't get to have, certainly seems like privilege to me. You made an analogy about country clubs granting privileges. And yes, it's very much like that. White people are very much in the club, and people of color, especially Black people, are very much not.

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Guessedworker

Monday, June 15, 2020 -- 1:02 AM

Where did the notion come

白人可能不会按照自己的利益来组织他们的生活,这种观念从何而来?人类历史上的每一个群体都是这样做的,这是出于合理的进化原因。即使普遍主义可以被认为是客观上道德的,这是有问题的,因为它的非自然性,有这样的事情吗?欧洲移民群体目前要求的“你的普遍主义,我的民族主义”不是普遍主义立场,也不是其他任何东西,只是要求欧洲本土居民放弃所有的民族主义,让开道路。所以对普遍主义的需求实际上只是扩张主义殖民者的需求。从道德吗?

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sminsuk

Sunday, June 13, 2021 -- 11:57 AM

Sorry that I'm seeing

Sorry that I'm seeing Guessedworker's reply only a year later. I'll answer that question with another question: where did the notion come from that organizing white people's existence at the expense of non-white people, is somehow "in their own interest"? My interest as a white person is most definitely not served by oppressing others. That should be obvious. Furthermore, where did the notion come from that members of different ethnic groups / races / national origins are natural groups and have inherently antagonistic interests? It's at least as rational to believe that we are all diverse members of one species, and, in this ever shrinking world, of one community; and that we are only enriched by vanquishing that oppression and elevating all individuals.

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Harold G. Neuman

Friday, March 19, 2021 -- 6:34 AM

I have noticed a new

I have noticed a new phenomenon in the race war, and am wondering if anyone else has seen this.
自从“黑人的命也是命”(Black Lives Matter)以来,甚至在此之前的某个时候,情况已经发生了变化。以前非白人群体之间似乎是团结一致的,而现在明显的裂痕正在扩大。一开始还看不出来,但现在很明显了。对我来说,无论如何。我想知道这是怎么发生的。在最近的选举中,我偶然发现了一条线索——我想。如果我没记错的话,哈里斯副总统来自多个民族。所以,除了成为第一位女性副总裁,她还有另一个障碍需要克服。还是几个?在竞选期间,她的种族血统不止一次被提上了台面; affirmed and emphasized...as if to honor them equally; as if that were a mandatory act and less would have been disrespectful. This is interesting and perhaps demonstrative. Here we have a well-qualified and respected professional, who happens to be female and from a diverse family lineage. Her racial profile became almost as important as any of that. Hoping again that I am just flat wrong, I can visualize greater dissent among people of color. Unless
we get hold of this trend before it clamps on to us...

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Harold G. Neuman

Monday, April 26, 2021 -- 5:40 AM

The latest things happening

最近在美国发生的关于种族的事情令人深感不安。手无寸铁的黑人被枪杀,很多人被杀,原因是他们在面对执法时举起了手。有几个人拿着智能手机,据我所知,这些手机不像枪。随着枪击事件的继续,大多数自认为有意识的人都厌倦了借口。但是,在注意到所有这些之后,我看到了其他令人担忧的事情,它们似乎显示出漠视,或者更糟糕的是,抗拒。一些人在自家的院子里张贴标牌,反驳或模仿“黑人的命也是命”(Black Lives Matter)运动。其中一本就在我现在居住的社区附近,上面写着:传说永不休止。这可能意味着什么,也可能毫无意义。我曾经考虑过自己的贡献:Rust Never Sleeps。也没有重力。 But, the more I thought about community decay and unrest, the more I realized it would be unwise. You cannot make a harmless joke about tragedy. People just won't understand. Those who think you are in their camp will misunderstand. Some who think you are being coldly racist might decide to shoot up your house or neighborhood.

So, there will be no publicly displayed comments on my property. We are moving soon anyway..

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Harold G. Neuman

Tuesday, June 8, 2021 -- 5:42 AM

I have another view on the

我对种族主义问题有另一种看法。也许其他人已经注意到了这一点——我以前从未见过这种表达。它可以追溯到社会和文化根源。和代际态度。人们太习惯于“总是做他们一直在做的事情”。即使在内心深处,他们知道这是错误的。一代人将自己的偏见传给下一代。可以说是滚雪球效应。当态度变得普遍时,行为也会随之发生。美国的种族分裂就是这样。 The recent political divisiveness here has only aggravated and amplified the problem. My assertion is that the battlelines , as now drawn, leave little room for constructive change. Some sensible people, race notwithstanding, either recognize or intuit the intractability of this massive snowball. But there are not enough of them actively working to solve the problem.

Always (and in all ways) doing what you've always done, good and bad, gets you what you've always gotten. And, there will forever be those who would not have it any other way. I hate to be a pessimist.
But see no way around it. Attitudes and behaviors are stoked by generational flames.

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Harold G. Neuman

Wednesday, June 9, 2021 -- 1:09 PM

Another view, Part Two:

Another view, Part Two:
Around about the time the new world was already infected with white on black racism,(slavery),circa the 1700s, there were rumblings of something called manifest destiny. This had to do with the 'Indian Problem'. There was no perceivable Indian Problem in the 1600s. There were few white people here then and the Thanksgiving myth was born. Later, into the nineteenth century, the 'Indian Problem' emerged. No-one was concerned with the subjugation of blacks. Not much. Not yet. Roughly, manifest destiny proposed that the country would expand; prosper; and anything or anyone standing in the way of that would be exterminated. And so, there arose a systematic effort to displace and/or erase indigenous peoples. The only good (Native American) was a dead one. This was more ruthless than enslaving Blacks, but no less unjust. My family, I think, goes on here. The genes are still out there. Native American genes. I hope ,and trust my point is clear. For, if it is not, I do not know where we go now.

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Harold G. Neuman

Thursday, June 10, 2021 -- 12:56 PM

III.

III.
For milennials and any others who may not know;were not taught much about World War II, this final installment concerns another dark chapter of US history, vis-a-vis treatment of minority people, lawfully residing in the USA. These were Asians,Japanese and possibly others who were shipped to internment camps during that war. There was fear that they would somehow undermine the American war effort, perhaps through espionage or some other nefarious fashion. It was not known, nor ever proven, as far as I know, that this fear had any sort of reality. The recipients of this dose of injustice were guilty by association only. 'We just couldn't trust 'em'. It was, after all, wartime. In this case, and under the circumstances, the presumption of equal treatment under the law, was dismissed, out-of-hand.

那场战争之后我才出生。但在我上学的时候,这些冷酷的事实从来不是美国历史课程的一部分。我非常怀疑,就像之前暗示的那样,他们从那以后甚至连一个脚注都没有。当想要处理尴尬的历史时,使用奥卡姆扫帚是很容易的。当你想要得到你一直得到的东西时,要一直做你一直在做的事情。你知道,例外论。

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Harold G. Neuman

Wednesday, July 21, 2021 -- 12:41 PM

这是一种新颖的方法。

这是一种新颖的方法。也许吧。如果一直都有“白人特权”,那这和征服有什么关系呢?奴隶制。等等。我断言开国元勋们从启蒙运动的观点中学习。但是,等一下。启蒙运动是否给奴隶制贴上了橡皮图章?我读过的书里都没有。奴隶制对欧洲的白人来说是一种不言而喻的特权吗? Indentured servitude appears to have been a practice. I suppose .that equates with slavery, in some sense. But, is it not true that when a debt was repaid, the indentured servant was, uh, free? That did not apply for enslaved blacks who were abducted from their homelands and treated like oxen.
So, all this considered, it would appear the founding fathers manipulated things: to suit themselves and their personal agendas. Desire, expectation, belief, etc., are propositional attitudes, as Davidson asserted. They do not equal truth, unless someone thinks so. We have always done what is advantageous. And cheap. Slavery was cheap. Way back then...

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Harold G. Neuman

Friday, July 23, 2021 -- 11:29 AM

A final note:

A final note:
“系统性歧视”这个词已经存在多年了。我在这里所写的大部分内容都是为了引出这个问题。系统性歧视起源于白人特权之前。对群体/阶级的征服开始于权力斗争,贵族,神权政治和这些戏剧的许多分支。黑白分裂只是一个例子,而且可能是目前最明显的一个例子。人们习惯于做他们以前做过的事情。他们总是得到他们已经得到的,并且对所有这些都很满意。我们不是在讨论一个两三百年前的问题。这种疾病比那要古老得多。任何不能把生活中的点点滴滴联系起来的人都沉浸在当下。 We do not seem to learn much from our mistakes.