Race Matters

Sunday, February 2, 2020
First Aired:
Sunday, October 29, 2017

What Is It

Started in the wake of George Zimmerman's 2013 acquittal in the death of Trayvon Martin, the #BlackLivesMatter movement has become a powerful campaign demanding redress for the mistreatment of African-Americans by law enforcement in the United States. But it has also inspired deep antipathy from those who claim it overemphasizes racial issues. So how much does – and should – race matter? Does #BlackLivesMatter speak for all black people? How should we respond to counter-movements like #AllLivesMatter? Ken and Debra discuss matters with Chris Lebron from Johns Hopkins University, author ofThe Making of Black Lives Matter: A Brief History of an Idea.

Listening Notes

黛布拉和肯首先讨论了“黑人的命也是命”运动的意义,以及该运动对种族的强调所带来的潜在影响。黛布拉认为,司法系统中的种族不平等对每个人来说都是一场灾难,重点应该是团结人们,反对一个共同的事业,而不是让种族群体相互对立。肯回应说,这种由“所有生命都重要”的反运动所概括的观点是有问题的,因为它意味着存在对问题的解决方案的色盲,而这些问题本来就是由种族决定的。他说,“黑人的命也是命”运动不是要排除其他人,而是要最终将黑人纳入集体“我们”的概念中。

《黑人的生命也很重要:一个想法的简史》的作者克里斯·勒布朗也加入了主持人的行列。黛布拉提出的问题是,为了在黑人社区面临的问题上取得进展,是否以一种更包容的方式来构建它们可能会更有效。她举了一个例子,贫困是一个真正影响黑人的问题,解决这个问题的最好办法是全民福利项目、低成本住房和为每个人提供更好的学校。克里斯不同意这种观点,他认为这个国家种族的根本问题与价值有关:黑人被认为价值更低。当在更公平的基础上提供公共产品的项目和政策得到实施时,这种价值判断会回到这些项目和政策中,黑人再次被排挤出他们的利益。

在最后一个环节,主持人问克里斯我们作为一个国家如何开始前进。他们提出了一个挑战,即如何从黑人社区之外获得支持,以发展反对种族不平等的运动。克里斯分享了一种可能引发改变的方法,那就是向美国白人传达一种观念,让种族不平等永久化,实际上就是欺骗他们自己的人性。最后,他指出了最近发生的种族仇恨的激增,表明全国性的对话应该从白人特权转向白人愤怒。

  • Roving Philosophical Report (Seek to 6:11)→Lisa Veale仔细观察了在警察枪杀了安东尼·拉马尔·史密斯(Anthony Lamar Smith)和迈克尔·布朗(Michael Brown)等黑人之后发生的行动主义。她还研究了一些来自“黑人的命也是命”(Black Lives Matter)运动同情者的批评,得出的结论是,该运动公然的种族信息既疏远了一些人,也激励了另一些人。
  • Conundrum: A former Peace Corps volunteer wonders whether her presence did more harm than good by raising expectations that might not be met.

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Comments(13)


simka321's picture

simka321

Sunday, October 29, 2017 -- 11:41 AM

Black lives

Why does the class question take priority over the race question? Simple. If those who say that "black lives matter" don't actually matter to those who determine what matters, then does what those who say "black lives matter" really matter?

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RepoMan05

Sunday, September 22, 2019 -- 6:42 PM

Thats just a very long way of

Thats just a very long way of saying the BLACK lives matter movement is a bunch of racists. "BLACK lives matter" it's self evident. Why beat around the bush? Philosophical opinions dont need to be convincing. That's the realm of politics.

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RepoMan05

Sunday, September 22, 2019 -- 6:17 PM

The plain fact is, the whole

事实是,整个司法系统,不只是警察,都是晋升点的妓女。如果你做了他们的工作,你也会变成同样的人。

If zimmerman did in the state of Florida vs George Zimmerman(in the death of Trayvon Martin) what kelly did in the state of Wisconsin vs Daniel Kelly(in the death of Austin Bodahl) it wouldnt have cost zimmerman his whole life. Kelly had a public defender.

When you're in a self defense case, "DONT TALK TO THE COPS!" Let your lawyer do his job, make it as easy as you can for your lawyer. They're not going to spend their own lives on you coming up with every last counter to all the ways the prosecutor is going to twist every last word you said.

Zimmerman wouldn't have even been charged.

其次,“种族”是英国人创造的一个模棱两可的谬论,目的是把家庭变成竞争,为裙带关系和贵族的滑坡辩护。每个使用种族这个词的人,都是种族主义者。That means you op.

They knew you'd all get trapped in their little machination. British loyalists have been playing you all against eachother for the whole time america existed. They've been doing it for a very long time. You all get trapped in codification illusions and manipulated like muppets.

Lets see if you can grasp this.

在英语中,你喝的东西是一个杯子,对吗?在西班牙语中,你喝的东西叫taza。那么到底是哪一种呢?是一杯还是塔扎?是这两个吗?还是说它两者都不是,而且还可能是奥森贝歇的作品?

文字是不存在的。只有我们的集体协议,它们才有任何意义。

Race is not a real word. It is a fallacy.

Even "phenotypical traits" is a fallacy of averages. Every word in every dictionary is an argumentum ad populum fallacy reguardless of any other fallacy they are.

主观性永远不能完美地反映客观性。

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RepoMan05

Tuesday, September 24, 2019 -- 6:24 PM

所以,是的。"Race" has

所以,是的。“种族”对它来说完全无关紧要。"Race" is completely incorporeal.

没有发令枪,也没有终点线。

It's just 7 billion -1 idiot's who're really damn bored playing a self-serving aristocrat's game that was never there in the first place.

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RepoMan05

Saturday, October 19, 2019 -- 3:01 PM

Race only matters to

种族问题只对习惯性谬误的南方民主党人有影响。

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RepoMan05

Monday, November 18, 2019 -- 7:46 PM

If anyone remembers the first

如果有人还记得齐默尔曼事件的第一周,你就会记得从案件一开始所有的非黑即白的言论。所有的“白人”都不得不指出齐默尔曼是西班牙裔,而不是“白人”。如果“白人”是唯一一个被期望有良知或智力一致性的“种族”群体,种族主义就不会结束。

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Tim Smith

Tuesday, December 31, 2019 -- 7:19 AM

RM5 is gone. R.I.P.

RM5 is gone. R.I.P.

如果他回来,我就反驳他。他走得太远了,这是他对齐默尔曼的一贯做法。罗伯特,你想错了。这也许是一个站不住脚的句子……但只要不嚎叫,鬼魂就会出没。

The backlist of Philosophy Talk has the potential of life giving force. I hope someone hears the forest fall.

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rlaggren

Tuesday, February 4, 2020 -- 1:26 PM

> Black LIves......Respect

> Black LIves......Respect

美国是一个致富的国家。那是我们的国教,不是基督教。一个By-GawdDamn-Getting-MINE国家。我们是超级商人。在这样的文化中,你认为什么等于尊重?你是否怀疑硅谷的风险投资家会急于与来自火星的紫人做生意,只要它是一项安全且回报丰厚的投资?

如果你想要从特定群体中“获得尊重”,你便需要摧毁他们,购买他们或者在他们自己的游戏中打败他们。那些以肤色来确定自己身份的人(有色人种、红脖子和饼干等)想做哪一种?

还是说他们想在那个竞技场里战斗?因为一个人会被他的对手塑造。谁想成为更大更好的特朗普?事实上,我怀疑很多人……包括很多进步主义者,这样他们就能“拯救世界”。

Power corrupts. And blinds. And lots of other side affects. It's an unavoidable occupational hazard. I'm sure most people would be happy to replace those "at the top" and put their own foot on the necks of the losers. It's the righteous thing to do, right? Bury those evil doers!

You probably get my drift: Face up to realities of power. Evolution and Darwin. The Black Panthers had the basic premise exactly right - nobody notices you until you can make it matter to _them_. They used in-your-face pseudo warfare - shock tactics, guns. MLK used large masses of people he moved to expose the practices of power and hit them politically. Power.

But the Bible says (more or less) "trust God, not the Egyptians with their horses and chariots". So if you believe in God (or some such) maybe you don't want to run and suck up to power? But that's a little scary, right? Chancy?

Oh well, life is hard. Gotta make these choices...

Cheers,
Rufus

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Harold G. Neuman

Friday, February 14, 2020 -- 9:04 AM

This will be my last comment

这将是我对这个令人痛苦的话题的最后评论。我在平等机会的行业工作了近30年,看到了比任何人都应该看到的更多。有些人可能会因此而生气。其他人可能会看到其他的东西。I am a pragmatist:

For as long as black people assert, contend and demand they are owed a dept that can never be repaid, there will never be racial harmony. Such demand will always be a barrier.The man with a 'chip on his shoulder' wants nothing so dearly as that someone will knock it off. Retribution is akin to guilt. They are both gifts that keep on giving, stoking hatred and suspicion. It is astounding to me that virtually no one acknowledges this side of the issue. And that any who are courageous enough to do so are condemned and ostracized by all. If no one is willing to forgive and move forward, we are all mired in the ocean of infinity: no sail, no oars, no anchor and a lot more bloodshed...

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RepoMan05

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 -- 6:02 PM

Some depts just cant be

Some debts just cant be repaid. Like everyone here who owes my family tree a dept for their service in war for this nation. I would not say black people are not owed a debt. Almost all of them have family trees in america that predate most of you more recent immigrants. What would their familial service be considered if not that of a veteran?

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RepoMan05

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 -- 6:07 PM

Why is it that only "bad"

为什么只有“坏帐”应该被记住,而不是“好帐”?是的,我们亏欠黑人奴隶的历史,但他们也亏欠我们,因为我们为生存而战,为他们赢得了发言权和拥有自己财产的权利。美好的事情也需要被记住。

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Harold G. Neuman

Sunday, June 13, 2021 -- 5:21 PM

Today, I watched an episode

今天,我看了一集CBS新闻杂志《60分钟》。又来了,有人要么取消文化,要么试图修改历史。这个节目涉及奴隶制问题。一艘在19世纪来到阿拉巴马州的奴隶船,被烧毁/凿沉以隐藏其目的/使命。正如我在“黑人的命也是命”一文中所评论的那样,这逃避了现实。这现实吗?18世纪的那个。开国元勋们拥有奴隶的现实。华盛顿和杰斐逊就是其中之一。现在,我不介意诚实的错误。 Whatever that means. Dan Dennett has declared we need to make mistakes. He has not clarified whether those need be honest or no. I don't know him, so I can't ask. Anyway, as far as I can see, you cannot have it both ways. Cancellation and revisionism seem to argue otherwise. Uh. Bullshit. Read Frankfurt if you doubt this.
Couple these ideas with what I have left on the other post mentioned. It is all connected. Has been since sometime after 1612. Things start early. And not always where we assume or are taught...

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Harold G. Neuman

Thursday, August 5, 2021 -- 10:14 AM

This is an afterthought I had

这是我希望省略的一个事后想法。但是,今天,它又回到了我的意识中。在过去的三十多年里,我对孩子名字的演变感到惊讶。我有点理解为什么黑人父母给孩子取独特的名字了。Unique等同于special和/或extraordinary。Lakesha比Lucretia更擅长拼写。拉维恩比弗农更有异国情调。然而今天,我倒吸了一口气儿。这个孩子名叫泰维莎。我就是无法到达那里。 The thought occurred to me, concerning this young lady's potential grade school trials. I can imagine her embarrassment when some wise-cracking schoolmate pipes out: ' Ty wish I had a better name'. School kids are cruel---quick to pounce on differences---whether those are special, or not. Come on now, parents. Think, before you give your kids creative handles. I have three grandsons whose names I shall not divulge. Their names were intended to set them apart from the Bobs, Toms, and Jacks of the world. They will be set apart all right. But, maybe not in such a good way.