Live at the Marsh Theater, John kicks off the show by stating the anarchist position: that all states are inherently coercive, and therefore immoral. Ken pushes back, arguing that we need a state to protect us from each other. John reacts by defending anarchism, citing examples of ways in which modern states oppress their people. Surely, anarchy is preferable to states like we have. Ken asks what’s to stop him, under anarchy, from simply stealing John’s money. The two move on to accuse each other, lightheartedly, or loving chaos and tyranny.

The hosts welcome guest James Martel, editor of How Not to be Governed: Readings and Interpretations from a Critical Anarchist Left. He quickly dispels the myth of anarchy as a chaotic punk-rock situation, arguing that liberal capitalism has cast anarchism in this light to act as if that there is no alternative to the current system. After a break, Ken asks about the things we’d be missing out on under anarchy, like roads. James quips that states don’t build roads, people do – communities have been building roads long before nation-states existed. John questions how things would ever get done without the exchange of capital. James cites the example of the barter economy that functioned in Barcelona and other parts of Spain in the early twentieth century.

詹姆斯提出了无政府主义的一个关键概念:无代表。人们可以让别人为自己说话，但不能超出自己同意的范围来代表自己。他谈到了代表持相同观点的人发言的一系列发言人。正如他们在无政府主义的西班牙所运作的那样，这些议会通过一致意见而不是绝对多数投票做出决定。这样，每个人都能直接对所做的事情有发言权。一位年轻的观众问，是什么促使人们在没有资本主义动机的情况下发明和创造iphone等产品。詹姆斯回答说，社区仍然可以在没有强制的情况下维护知识产权，但肯和约翰不满意他的回答，即人们仍然会为了乐趣而发明。他进一步说，当工人拥有自己的劳动，并集体行动时，他们可以做他们现在做的同样的事情，但不会强迫他们接受压迫。Such collectivization is how anarchism would function.

• Roving Philosophical Reporter(seek to 6:40): Shuka Kalantari interviews Greg Horton, an anarchist living in Oakland, California about examples of anarchism in the past, and the influences that led him to his politics.
  
• 60-Second Philosopher(seek to 46:12): Ian Shoales sppeds through the story of Josiah Warren, whom he calls America’s first Anarchist, who founded an Anarchist society on Long Island called Modern Times.