We sometimes think of the domains of ethics and morality as divorced from feeling and emotion. You keep your promises because it maximizes good. But what if care were thought of as the bedrock of morality? While we know that more care work is performed by women, would a care-based approach to ethics befeminist,or merelyfeminine?围绕着促进护理的目标来建立我们的机构会是什么样子?Debra and Ken take care to welcome Joan Tronto from the University of Minnesota, author ofWho Cares?: How to Reshape a Democratic Politics.
Ken and Debra begin the show by discussing care and what it means in regard to our obligations to others. Ken holds that it is perfectly fine for a parent to care more for his own children than he does for others; Debra, on the other hand, maintains that justice requires us to be impartial and prepared to juggle everyone’s best interests. The philosophers pivot to the difference betweencaringand carework, with Debra reminding us that domestic workers, often women of color, are exploited and undervalued in today’s market economy.
Joan Tronto, professor of political science at the University of Minnesota and author ofWho Cares? How to Reshape a Democratic Politics, joins the show. She adds her perspective to what has already been discussed, offering that a policy-mandated 20-hour work week and a requirement for all American citizens to care for others, similar to a national service requirement, would help reshape and improve American democracy. She argues that students ought to be taught to care for others just as they are taught to develop a good work ethic in school. Ken and Debra probe Joan more on this, including on what she believes the source of care work and caring in the home disproportionately falling to women is.
After a short break, the philosophers and Joan respond to callers’ questions. One caller points out that care work is thought about differently in other countries, including in Cuba. There, even physicians are supported and encouraged to return to and help their disadvantaged communities. She wonders if the Cuban social system accounts for this. Ken adds onto this question, asking Joan why it seems that the devaluation of care work is especially prevalent in the U.S. Joan discusses Americans’ “winner vs. loser” mentality in response to Ken’s question, pointing out that we often forget that we share common goals and interests with other Americans.
Comments(6)
RepoMan05
Wednesday, April 22, 2020 -- 12:49 PM
As a structural violence作为一个基于排斥半个地球的结构性暴力组织，在道德上，我不支持女权主义。我真的很喜欢激励女性做伟大的事情的想法，但对我来说，这并不意味着不自然的男性，同时利用女权主义作为平台，对男性实施结构性暴力，而不受惩罚。自然是真实的，比理想主义更真实。理想主义导致了不适宜居住的环境条件，特别是当与错误的专制主义混合在一起时。任何一个乐于传播谬误和先前谴责的团体，都不应该是这样的团体。
In short, not down with the misandrist cult.
Also not down with pederast cults either but thats another and only partialy related topic.
Alfredo
Sunday, May 17, 2020 -- 10:52 PM
Dear Philosophy Talk team,Dear Philosophy Talk team,
Thank you for a fantastic podcast!
Ken Taylor states early on: "I clearly owe my own children more care than I owe a complete stranger." What to think then of Wesley Autrey, who left his young daughters in the care of one stranger and dove onto the subway tracks to save the life of another? Didn't he owe his daughters to stand by them? Could the same be asked of a father skydiving on weekends? At least, the latter knows his parachute has a good chance of opening and save his life. Autrey didn't even know there'd be enough space for the subway to pass over him and the stranger over whom he laid.
也许他来自一个希腊看护人的世家?
Best,
Alfredo
Alfredo
Monday, May 18, 2020 -- 7:01 AM
"What is it about the“美国人的心理到底是怎么回事?(…)为什么我们会变成现在的样子?”肯·泰勒问道。这是一个很好的问题，因为它的答案可能会引导我们以不同的方式思考。
I believe our behavior stems from the way we view risk.
In the second volume of his Democracy in America, Tocqueville states that because America emerged as a democratic republic, its citizens see huge rewards in taking risks, more so than Europeans who transitioned into democratic constitutions all the while adapting to their aristocratic and clerical strongholds.
To take a risk is to act autonomously in accordance with one’s inner understanding of what to do and what not to do –- what Aristotle called phronimos (φρόνιμος) or prudence.
If we are taught to care from a young age as Joan Tronto suggests, we may come to believe it as something "to do" and conclude that not caring is not a risk worth taking.
Maybe?
Tim Smith
Wednesday, June 10, 2020 -- 11:03 PM
Maybe.Maybe.
Great post Alfredo and great PT. I've been a little preoccupied of late but this show really brings back what I love about Philosophy.
Thanks for this. Sometimes blogging forces me to think, change and most importantly ... care.
Absolutely.
Harold G. Neuman
Tuesday, February 23, 2021 -- 4:46 AM
吸引人的方法。Seems吸引人的方法。似乎有逻辑可循。我想我知道为什么以前没人提过这个问题了吧?把这些点连起来，或者把女权主义和男性统治之间的“开关”转起来……
Harold G. Neuman
Sunday, April 11, 2021 -- 7:29 AM
As usual, good and thoughtfulAs usual, good and thoughtful comments here. Thought I'd raise a different flag. Women have long been charged with care giving, (mostly?) due to their role in childbearing and childrearing. But, in today's world, men are frequently employed as nurses. If someone has already broached this,I apologize. Anyway, I am wondering how such things as pay range and/or other terms, privileges and conditions of employment affect such positions and their occupants? Another facet of this gemstone involves a somewhat related inquiry: my physician is not an MD or a DO. He is a certified nurse practitioner, working in the office of a DO. I have no idea of how much he is paid. But, as a matter of interest, I would think it should be less than the head of the practice, whom I have never seen let alone met.
A good friend of mine is a nurse for the Veteran's Administration. I know he is paid well. I also know his patients ars primarily male. All of this is academic really. I have no means of discovering answers to my questions; proving or disproving suspicions regarding better terms, privileges and conditions of employment for men working in caregiver roles. Still, I surmise such individuals are likely to be better compensated than their female counterparts. When you always do what you have always done, you always get what you have always got...