The Slow Miracles of Thought
Jul 23, 2021How can the human mind think about objects outside itself? How is it possible to talk about things that don’t even exist? This week, we’re thinking about reference—specifically, an “opinionated” theory of reference by our dear departed friend, longtime Philosophy Talk host Ken Taylor.
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Harold G. Neuman
Sunday, June 13, 2021 -- 1:57 PM
Not what I thought was coming跟我想的不一样。必须有误解。可能。他的工作没有包含规范等等吗?这就是所谓的参照理论吗?规范和参照,虽然不互相排斥,但似乎不包容,相反。无论如何,如果时间和机会允许,我将读这本书。
Tim Smith
Monday, June 14, 2021 -- 6:49 AM
I read Meaning Diminished (MDI read Meaning Diminished (MD) and will try, as well, to get this one done in time to feedback thoughtfully. Not sure I will get there. The world is starting again in ways that dictate my time whether I refer to it or not.
如果我对MD的理解是正确的,Ken对从语义学中确定形而上学不抱太大希望。这与最近的维也纳圈(Vienna Circle)、逻辑经验主义世界杯赛程2022赛程表欧洲区和蒙田(Montaigne)的递减效果非常吻合。我所知道的转化为世界。在肯看来,语言具有内在的、相对不同的作用和兴趣。在我的理解中,这个最小的视角还不够远,但我不需要测量太多的距离。如果引言和第一章都是正确的,那么引用世界是Ken的偏颇方法。让我读一下,看看还有什么要说的。我只是很遗憾不能听到他作为乔什和雷的客人为自己辩护。
There is a world. There is a brain. Just what the two can say or do to the other is a bit up for grabs. I hope this book will shed some light. Ken had his moments in PT productions where he drew the lines between the arguments. It’s nice to have these two final works where he is in the hot seat.
Tim Smith
Thursday, July 22, 2021 -- 11:41 AM
Done with the book andDone with the book and listened to the show just now... so good.
I like Pina Coladas as much as the next person, so I have to clarify it wasn't Jimmy Buffett who was stepping out here, but rather his lady who placed the personal ad in the first place. Desire is the key to that song, not identity. Jimmy Buffett is way too deep for PT to tear down, but I sure hope someone can clarify my clarification because I'm very concerned with Robin's question of stepping out.
有趣的是,这个节目主要是关于肯,而不是他的书本身。世界杯赛程2022赛程表欧洲区节目太短了,而肯又太大了,放不下所有的节目。
脚注很吸引人。肯没有读完这本书,我很感激安娜-萨拉、约翰、马克和罗宾让这本书保持原样。事实上,这本书是一个唯物主义者的梦想,为了进一步的工作而流传下来。
我宁愿Ken在这部作品中采用Ruth Millikan的“追踪”和“独角兽”的想法,因为我认为这对进化论、参考理论和生物语义学更有指导意义。露丝还在沉思。PT有必要让她解释并限定Ken的双因素参照主义、概念和概念以及一般意义的想法。我很想听听她对书中最冗长的脚注的回应,那不是肯的。
We still need to share a pina colada in tribute to Ken's passing; CoVid put a stomper on that gathering. Let's do that still. I will risk a flight to share a coffee or worse in his memory.
Josh Landy
Thursday, July 22, 2021 -- 12:50 PM
That's a great idea, Tim—letThat's a great idea, Tim—let's make that post-Covid Piña Colada happen, in Ken's honor! And thanks very much for all these excellent comments...
Tim Smith
Tuesday, July 27, 2021 -- 10:58 PM
With apologies to RupertWith apologies to Rupert Holmes who penned the Escape (The Piña Colada Song.)
Referring doesn't come without the inevitable risk of error. We may still find truth by honest and humble corrections. Duly corrected.
Daniel
Sunday, June 20, 2021 -- 5:51 PM
The positive ontologicalThe positive ontological assertion with regards to brains and the world is non-controversial. That the relationship between them is "up for grabs", however, appears much less certain. If the world includes brains, then certainly brains constitute parts of the world, which latter is in turn governed by laws of nature discoverable in the context of the quantitative sciences. A similar issue came up In 1795 when the German anatomist Samuel T. Soemmerring claimed he had discovered a "sensorium commune," said to be a location in the human brain where all sensations flowed together to produce conscious experience. This was where the nerves seemed to concentrate in certain brain cavities, or "ventricles", and terminate in a liquid that filled the cavities, which the anatomist called "brain water" and today is called cerebrospinal fluid. He claimed to have found the location of the soul in the body, upon which the mind and all conscious self-identity depends. The philosopher Kant, quite famous by that time, wrote to Soemmerring that, while admiring his work, he could not accept that he had done what he had claimed, since the soul or mind, he pointed out, can perceive itself only through the inner sense of the combination of all the outer sensations; and to stipulate a place in space for it would therefore be to attempt to make itself an external object of its own sensation, in effect, to "posit itself outside of itself," which would be a contradiction. Could a similar objection be made here, with respect to what might be called a false dichotomy between brains and the world; in contrast to a genuine dichotomy between minds and brains, where the latter are described as constituent parts of the world?
Dwells
Monday, July 5, 2021 -- 5:52 AM
Aha. This is where theAha. This is where the discussions of metaphysics and Panpsychism belong.
Tim Smith
Thursday, July 22, 2021 -- 11:10 AM
This quantitative analysis isThis quantitative analysis is reminiscent of the founding argument of the best-selling book by Oolon Colluphid – Well That About Wraps It Up For God. Logic is good. But, God is great and not so easily dispensed.
然而,肯在摒弃康德方面做得很出色。康德没有得到神经科学的信任。神经科学,反过来,没有像肯那样的工作,就没有因果关系的可信度,假设大脑指的是世界。
There is a mystery here in fictive and objectual representations, at least. Mystery doesn’t prevent Oolon Colluphid from counting her credits in these objectual representations. Her place, how much credit she is due, and from whom is certainly up for grabs. This is not to say that idealism is not the answer. Kant had his way with women folk.
Harold G. Neuman
Saturday, July 17, 2021 -- 3:35 AM
So, please allow me to reSo, please allow me to re-state my inquiry. More directly: Is referring to the world what Ken Taylor had in mind? It may be construed as such, I suppose. But that is mere supposition on my part. What do you take normativity to be? Please help me here. Or, review your understanding of what Professor Taylor intended.
Tim Smith
Thursday, July 22, 2021 -- 10:24 AM
Ken does mention his work inKen在分析概念和概念时确实提到了他正在进行的规范性工作。你没记错的话。这是他提到。
“I do not mean to dismiss the normative and metaphysical considerations just bruited as entirely without force. Indeed, in a big book in progress,
A Natural History of Normative Consciousness, I try my best to do justice to such considerations and many others. Here, I will just insist, though admittedly without the backing of a comprehensive argument, that it would be a mistake to let them drive us all the way to anti- psychologism.” -page 147
除非罗宾或他的门徒拿起那根沉重的指挥棒,否则这项工作将永远是客观的。尽管如此,他在这本书中确实对规范性讲了很多。
Daniel
Saturday, July 24, 2021 -- 6:56 PM
Haven't heard the show yet,还没听过这个节目,因为它将在稍后我所在的电台播出。Ken的作品还无法得到充分的评价,对他的欣赏也只能停留在最初的阶段。我记得泰勒教授很喜欢用“范畴错误”这个词,比如把一个范畴中的谓词,比如语法,应用到另一个范畴的主语上,比如数学:“几何是属格情况下的代数”;产生一个无意义的陈述,尽管听起来很容易理解。有一个故事,讲的是一个人的狗从来不叫,除非是对任何刺激做出反应。每当那人把钥匙弄得叮当响时,那只狗就叫起来。因为他和这只只会吠叫的狗一起生活了很多年,所以他得出了这样的结论,那就是钥匙的叮当声和狗的吠声实际上是一模一样的,这也成了他的一种习惯。通过一致性相关,这个人犯了推断数量同一性的范畴错误。为什么否认心灵独立于大脑,就不会在推断两者的同一性时犯同样的错误呢?
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Monday, July 26, 2021 -- 9:40 AM
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Monday, July 26, 2021 -- 6:57 PM
Thank you very much for theThank you very much for the information. I hope however this does not affect the veracity of my position: My anticipation of the show's contents can't mean they don't yet exist, unless of course the two are the same thing.