Ken introduces Elizabeth Kiss, the Nannerl O. Heohane Director of the Kenan Institute at Duke University, author of many works on human rights and ethnic conflict around the world. John mentions that Americans pride themselves on being the most egalitarian country in the world, and asks Elizabeth if this pride is well-founded. Elizabeth sadly reveals that there are huge gaps between the rich and poor in the United States, and that unfortunately these categories are drawn along racial lines, a recent example of this growing gap is the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Elizabeth Kiss uses the example of Hurricane Katrina to discuss our country's moral imagination, and how natural disasters can reveal more underlying class tensions in American life. John discusses a kind of equality of humanity which allows us to relate to be what its like to be in other peoples' shoes, and notes that in American we have not been able to do so.

Ken将对话重新回到经济平等和政治平等的区别上，问客人是否可以在没有经济平等的情况下实现政治平等。伊丽莎白·基斯(Elizabeth Kiss)认为，在这种情况下，人们可以享有形式上的平等——或者书本上或法律上的平等——但不能享有真正积极或有效的平等，那种让人感觉可以掌控并能够改变自己生活的平等。她认为，美国梦或白手起家的神话在今天基本上只是神话。约翰讨论了愿望的平等，或平等获得可能性和梦想的机会，肯指出了试图保证这种抽象的平等概念的实际困难。

Ken gives examples to try to understand the underlying reasons for equality. If life is a race, and I run it well and win in the end, why should I care about other people who were not as successful? Elizabeth Kiss points out that it's not a fair competition, and that while it is hard to recognize this from the winner's perspective, we do not all start from the same place, invalidating the simple race analogy. She believes that the American ideal of equality of opportunity is really not being pursued through the current infrastructure, and that the reason people should care about such systematic inequity is because it wastes a very large amount of human potential. Playing the devil's advocate, Ken points out that many people think that society is on average fair, that those in jail broke the law, those that are poor are lazy, and those that are successful work hard--trying to push the guest for a more direct argument. Elizabeth describes an experiment she has her students perform where they visit a food bank and learn how little many families have to spend on food each day, a revelatory experience for those that don't understand what it's like.

Audience members discuss their own views and life experiences with the guest, ranging from the growing numbers of white poor to the moral imagination of fellow americans and how that could achieve a different and more equitable society. John, Ken, and Elizabeth discuss ways in which the moral background from across the political spectrum can be used to improve the lives of the poor. In his closing remarks John stresses the role of philosophy, imagination, and leadership in creating a more egalitarian society.

• Sixty-Second Philosopher(Seek to 4:45): Ian Shoales burns through the history of the idea of "equality" from lofty ideal to practical application, noting its popularity and unpopularity in different times and in the schemes of different thinkers.