Is retirement the best thing that can happen to us? Or is retirement a capitalist ploy to rotate expensive and experienced workers out of the workforce? Ken, Josh, and Debra explore this question with guest and former co-host John Perry, who has retired on three occasions from different positions. John first explains why he retired from working as a philosophy professor at Stanford University, though he still spends a lot of time reading and writing about philosophy now.

休息之后，我们的主持人将探讨退休是否是一件好事。乔什指出，目前的退休制度让人产生了一种“工作时才有用”的心态。约翰对此表示赞同，他很高兴哲学教授能在退休后对他们的领域做出贡献，而且仍然“有用”。

乔希提出了退休的一个可能目的:反思生活，或许还可以弥补自己的错误。一位听众问，退休前从全职工作过渡到兼职工作是否是个好选择。作为回应，约翰分享了他自己“逐渐退休”的经历。

In the final segment, Josh asks John for advice on how to make the most of retirement. John recalls advice that he gave his freshmen students at Stanford: to make choices based on their own beliefs and desires and to find what they care about. Retirement affords us a similar opportunity, says John: to be free of the responsibilities that we had during our careers and to rediscover and do what we love.

• Roving Philosophical Report(Seek to 2:56): Liza Veale chats with Darrel and Gene about how they save for retirement and whose responsibility it is to save for retirement: the individual’s, the government’s, employers’, or some combination of all three.
• 60-Second Philosopher(Seek to 46:24): Ian Shoales discusses our expectations of leisure activities and how some people never retire.