Why Poetry Matters

Sunday, April 10, 2022

What Is It

有些人说他们觉得诗歌难以理解。然而,读者人数正在增加:在2017年的一项调查中,美国国家艺术基金会发现,近12%的美国成年人在去年读过诗歌。那么,如何解释诗歌作为一种艺术形式的持久吸引力呢?谁算诗人,什么算诗,有什么限制吗?到底是什么让一首诗好呢?Josh and Ray wax lyrical with Nobel Prize-winning poet Louise Glück, author ofAmerican Originality: Essays on Poetry.

Listening Notes

Is poetry just a fun pastime, or can it change our lives? Can poems help us to think, connect, and feel? Josh begins by arguing that poetry matters enormously, since it is a place to gain genuine wisdom. Ray loves poetry, but they counter by pointing out issues like war, famine, and climate change that seem to matter much more than poetry. Josh and Ray both agree that poetry provides a new vocabulary for talking about shared human experiences, and it helps you experience the mind of another person.

The co-hosts are joined by Louise Glück, winner of the 2020 Nobel Prize in Literature, who believes that poetry reformulates the things we know so that we feel them freshly. She explains that she finds the experience of putting words to feelings consoling because it reaffirms that we are not alone in our experiences. Ray considers poems that are about experiences they haven’t had, while Louise praises poems that have more questions than answers. Josh asks how poems evoke feelings of intimacy in the reader, and Louise describes why she enjoys poems that make her as a reader feel like her presence is required. If great poets invite her into their work, it gives her a sense that she could achieve something similar as an artist herself.

In the last segment of the show, Josh, Ray and Louise discuss what it means for a poem to be successful, the political impact of poetry, and being a poetry teacher. Josh believes that one mark of achievement is that a poem stays in the reader’s thoughts for a long time. Ray asks about the power of political and satirical poetry, and Louise points out that poets have no problem criticizing tyrants because they aren’t directly engaging and negotiating with them. To aspiring poets, Louise gives the advice of cultivating patience, since waiting is a painful but necessary part of the process.

  • Roving Philosophical Report (Seek to 4:32) →Holly J. McDede checks in with two poets from the San Francisco Bay Area to ask why poetry matters to them.

  • Sixty-Second Philosopher (Seek to 48:30) →伊恩·肖尔斯研究了诗歌的起源和《伊利亚特》的重新创作。

Transcript

Transcript

Josh Landy
Is poetry just a fun pastime?

Ray Briggs
或者它能改变我们的生活吗?

Josh Landy
Can poems help us to connect, think and feel?

Ray Briggs
Welcome to Philosophy Talk the program that questions everything

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Tim Smith

Thursday, February 17, 2022 -- 9:49 PM

诗歌通常都很短

诗歌通常都很短godsend in an ever more rapid world), open to expressive interpretation and most importantly our mental experience of life is poetry. This last point is the least often told but the most fundamental. People wonder at the discontinuity of a dream, scratch together memories of a past trauma or love – when they do, it is poetry. Jerry Fodor’s language of thought hypothesis (LOTH) or thought ordered mental expression (TOME) – when written out plain or painstakingly accurate is the mentalese of poetry. Poetry appeals to the reader/listener as experience – sometimes touching, disturbing or emotional – it speaks to our thoughts, experience and creativity. The brain spontaneously creates reality as poetry.

...What immortal hand or eye
竟敢构成你那可怕的匀称?

We do this reading poetry. It is what makes it so appealing.

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Harold G. Neuman

Friday, February 25, 2022 -- 6:08 AM

Used to write something like

曾经写过类似诗歌的东西。仍然喜欢阅读它。诗歌让我们徜徉在抽象的意识深处。“真实”或幻觉。它能让我们在恢复平静和惊奇的同时,让我们的一些更乏味的认知过程得到休息。有个兄弟现在写诗。他的意象反映了一种过得很好的生活和对自己皮肤的舒适。并非所有人都能轻易获得这些图像。这也没关系。在他80岁的时候,他仍然在问问题。 Not bad, for an old guy....a grandfather, after all these years.

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Daniel

Wednesday, March 2, 2022 -- 12:28 PM

Although poetry differs from

Although poetry differs from prose in that the range of interpretive possibilities is not constrained by concision-design semiologically, it nonetheless retains a prosaic function by unstable reference to given classes of such possibilities. This is why, in my view, poets historically can get away with criticizing tyrants while political opponents can't, which I interpret as indicated in Shakespeare's Hamlet when he writes "the play's the thing..." Consider for example, for what edification it's worth, the poem below composed for the occasion:

Where seed of wit with sprout of hope,
begrudge not frosted lens of scope,
when fog and mist and dew drops too,
allow no dart of vision through,
where sap and thorns with bile discourage,
the dance of neuron left to forage,
still yet the sapling's ken to procure,
构思,解释,悄悄地越过模糊。

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Harold G. Neuman

Wednesday, March 9, 2022 -- 4:21 AM

Nice work!

Nice work!

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tartarthistle

Sunday, March 20, 2022 -- 4:07 PM

This thought stuff is so

Puzzling... but sprouting of hope...

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Harold G. Neuman

Friday, March 25, 2022 -- 7:03 AM

I think, if poetry is as

I think, if poetry is as impenetrable as some would make it out to be, we are become more literal than is good for us. Obscurity may well be the stuff of dreams and creativity. And, so, if said impenetrability is a bane to the understanding of poetry, what of art? As a personal observation, if poetry does not for me fire a neuron or nudge a ventricle, I will put it aside for a bit. Reflective cognition is superior to fatalistic resignation. Should the verse not come more clearly on second reading, then, and only then,I will throw in the towel.

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tartarthistle

Saturday, April 2, 2022 -- 9:36 PM

No! don't throw in the towel.

No, don't throw in the towel! Fire a neuron! Become more literal, less "good." Obscurity may well be the stuff of dreams, so go for it! Dive. Swim. Then, and only then, throw in the towel. Live my darling, that's what physical bodies are for.

Can't you take a hint? Nudge your ventricle! What would Kant do?

P.S.Select all squares with
tractors
如果没有,单击“跳过…”
I'm not a robot.

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tartarthistle

Sunday, April 3, 2022 -- 8:59 PM

Oh, and please mention

Oh, and please mention something about the intentional (rather artful) application of silence. That dark and deep and incredibly powerful energetic absence. No, you didn't need to say anything at all. I got the message. Shut up. Sit down. Just who do you think you are? Something that matters?

I would love to hear about the poetic language of absence, that deliberate manufacturing of desire (desperation, starvation) in one's audience. We children will do anything for a little trickle of energetic attention from those perceived as above us, our influencers...

Poets are usually humble, but poets are not in power...at least not visibly and explicitly in power...

Although in reality, they are the unacknowledged legislators...

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Tim Smith

Monday, April 4, 2022 -- 7:40 AM

No one is telling you to be

没人叫你闭嘴,鞑靼蓟。说到主题就到此为止。沉默曾被用在诗歌中。这与你无关,除非你想这样做,而你经常这样做。如果你能回到正题,那就可以了。否则就是喷子。

现在,乌克兰有很多地方安静地等待着我们去思考。

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tartarthistle

Monday, April 4, 2022 -- 12:45 PM

I didn't say that I was being

I didn't say that I was being told to be quite. (Well, actually, I guess I did.) But what I meant was that silence is used as an active means of influencing others in language. It's a rhetorical technique and a very effective one. Please respond to my argument (this is a philosophy blog, we are talking about truth and falseness not name-calling), so please try to refrain from personally attacking me by implying I have some sort of political agenda attached to Russia simply because I go by the name of a Russian plant. I am not Russian, nor am I a troll, nor am I a plant.

德彪西说:“音乐是音符之间的空间。”沉默,或者故意创造的虚无/缺席,矛盾地传达了一种想法。有时什么也不是。毕竟,如果几何学中没有部分,那又有什么意义呢?要我说,那是一种非常强大的虚无。

所以,我要求你(戏剧性地扔下我的手套)停止攻击我个人,并回应我的评论。沉默作为一种影响的技巧,可以用来做好事,也可以用来做好事。这发生在艺术、媒体和领导力中(问问任何家长或老师关于这种高效的纪律手段)。

Please respond. Waiting...

P.S. A little defensive about the silencing of others, aren't we...hmm...

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tartarthistle

Tuesday, April 5, 2022 -- 7:14 AM

And since this discussion of

由于这次关于诗歌的讨论是在哲学的背景下进行的,格拉克女士必须谈谈鲁米。毕竟,他最初是一名教师(伊斯兰学者,受过几何训练),后来才成为一名诗人,一个高度神秘的诗人。他交了个朋友,这个朋友让他很兴奋。Shams-e Tabrizi改变了他的看法,鲁米写了一些诗来表达对这位朋友的深情。

This transformation reveals two sorts of teachers and two sorts of teaching experiences. One is rather sober, formal, and crunchy, and the other is ecstatic, informal, and soft/loving. In others words, in Rumi and his life, just like with Socrates and his life, we see the relational aspects of philosophy--the lover and the beloved, the teacher and the pupil.

我们现代人只保留了第一个老师——通过柏拉图。符号部分在下面。我们很脆。我们知道的东西。

But the latter teacher and the latter pupil...we do not discuss. Fine. Perhaps it's a private matter. (This lovely silence, this lovely private matter.) It's uncomfortable for men especially, since it involves honesty about the complexity of love/gender and the realm of ideas, it involves opening up and being vulnerable to another (most often another another man/youth), and it involves unity...a very touchy subject when it comes to relations between adults and youths and unity between them...

We are modern humans, and modern humans are prudes, hence the collective silence on the obvious facts of life, the reality of this ancient connection...

然而,诗歌给了我们一种“去那里”的语言,而不是明确地去那里,让每个人都慌乱。We don't have to expose our private matters, for all to analyze and fight over.

Here is the silence I would love hear Ms. Gluck play with a little in words....

Philosophy, poetry, and adult/youth bonds...and our collective silence on the subject, for very good reasons...

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tartarthistle

Tuesday, April 5, 2022 -- 9:04 PM

Yes, I expected a very

是的,我本以为会有意味深长的停顿.....

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Daniel

Tuesday, May 10, 2022 -- 5:09 PM

谁是那个幸运的父亲?

谁是那个幸运的父亲?

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