动物，在它们的原始意识中，只是居住在地球上的其他生物。他们对人类意义上的权利没有任何概念。没错，它们有保护自己成员的利他动机，更重要的是保护自己的后代……目前还不清楚他们意识到这其中有多少，又有多少是反动的。生存是一种基因上的需要，尽管道金斯提出的“自私”基因根本不像我们所认识的自私那样自私。现在，动物作为生物是否具有固有的权利，取决于我们如何看待它。在我们中间有一些人拥护事业，而事业就像召唤它们的头脑一样丰富。毕竟，除了人类的崇拜者，动物没有其他的拥护者。因此，人类觉得有必要保护低等上帝的孩子。因此，我们来到了问题的关键——嗯，其中几个:1。我们认识到动物生命对人类生命的重要性。 We would be bereft of many benefits, possibly of the privilege of life itself, were it not for animal life generally. We don't think too much about plants, other than whether they are edible. Or poisonous. But animals are useful in many ways. 2. We have kinship with primary consciousness which is unattainable with non-sentient chlorophyll factories. Our sense of husbandry is as old as humanity itself. 3. We tend to think more of those life forms whose behaviors may mimic our own, and we feel good about how much compassion and empathy we exhibit towards them. So, for many of us, animals, their protection and sustainability are a cause, and we begin to talk about rights, as further justification for treating them like fellow citizens of the planet. Thinking, perhaps, that given time they will supersede our dominance by superseding our species. Pragmatism takes on a new meaning. And, after all, evolution is an ongoing process...
There are no animal rights, per se. Only those we say they can (or ought to) have.

Well it's really just a theist aproach to justify original predation. In their sick little labyrinth of psychosis they believe in the original predation in the garden of Eden. Their justification is really just that animals are food and they themselves aren't animals. Nope, they're God's faithful servants on a mission to save some blah blah blah for God! But w/e. Gotta eat something... Why they can't like the idea of growing fish from a tree, I have no idea. Phobia of apples? "Not wise enough, blah blah blah, doom blah blah, the end of the world has to be managed blah blah."

整个动物分类的事情实际上只是英国模棱两可谬误的延伸，把家庭变成一种竞争，从而为裙带关系和贵族的滑坡辩护。你知道这是种族歧视。

Past and future get a little fuzzy. They got all this blather to explain their past not knowing it's verses to set a future and or deny that future as it suits their nepotism.

You can set it to happen faster but those delusional bastards will just troll it out longer till they can come up with a way to cash in on it before you can.

The racists think they're going to get seats in the federal fallout shelters because they paid in on building them. They dunno they're just mutts. The new imicrowave seats six.

有神论和科学不能混为一谈。其中一个最后上了餐桌。这不是科学。

Why so few consider on their own how arrogant and counter productive it is to codify, a riddle that will never be solved.

The problem with making a list of animal rights is that it always has to be kept at a lower standard than Human Rights. Is this because we have to value humans higher than animals or is it so we don't have to run into the problem of having to revise Human Rights to fit animal rights? All animals with a penis/vagina reproductive dynamic reproduce in a rapey manner. You can't tell a lioness not to harass a male lion until he's ready to rape her. It's what she's made to do. It's what he's made to do. It's what we're all made to do. Believe it or don't. Truth exists independently of you and your beliefs.

“人权”只是“非人道的权利”的误称，现在或许是个好时机。

这是一个好节目。约翰·佩里在我的生活和我们的世界中是一个非常重要的人。我以前说过，但这永远都不够。在我与他的一次交流中，他为我的无知抹平了阴影，轻轻忽略了我的存在。我被羞辱。但我并没有失去人性。我时不时关注这个网站(主要是在假期期间，工作让位于家庭)，我看到过质疑全人类的帖子。Though classifying this age as the Anthropocene is unfortunate it pales in comparison either to damning humanity for non humans' sake or to extending rights to any non human creature.

We all come from common stock. Not all of us deserve rights greater than others.

If you will... look at this current viral - safe for work - you tube (note, buyer beware, it has one image of sodomy that I would address in the spirit it is offered.)

https://youtu.be/3PUIJpsbHSk- phone link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PUlJpsbHSk- desktop link

这(假设你点击了链接)是哲学和科学上令人憎恶的事情。但这就是非人权辩论的关键所在。

Non human is simply that... non human. As soon as we figure out what that means we might actually make some headway on this issue. Some very great scientists are doing just that.

Word...Frans de Waal is not one of these very great scientists, great scientist though he is. Damasio is another scientist that I look askance at but neither Damasio nor de Waal are my scientific equals. They are my superiors. Science >> Philosophy ... every time. A philosopher wouldn't have it any other way.

作为哲学家，我们关心的是理论之间的空间。理论是科学的基础。哲学过去是在意识领域中寻找空间的。现在情况不再是这样了。每天都有很多关于意识的很好的理论在被检验。相反，哲学家们正被降级到无法检验的伦理问题，比如非人权问题，这些问题强烈依赖于新的意识科学，但不受它的指导。

Non human thought and consciousness is nothing like the thought expressed in the link I shared. Much of that link concerned itself with non human feelings and emotion. These feelings, we will never know them. The only way to know how someone is feeling is to ask them. Even then it's pulling teeth. That is why people are encouraged, so often, to use "I" language in relationships and testimonials. Non humans don't share language (with rare exceptions - one if which I would share, because it was so fundamental to my worldview, but this is already too long.) We can't ask dogs or cats how they are feeling. Scientists are suggesting quantitative models of animal consciousness. Even plants and fungi can be conscious under some of these models.

Pet lovers and primatologists are quick to anthropomorphize their pets/subjects. Everyone is. It is intuitive to see faces in random dots or rock formations. It is especially easy when primate biology is so close to that of human. This is dangerous when it comes to thought, feeling and consciousness. Non human is not necessarily like human. Convergent behavior is clear in the working of very different avian and human brains. Not all consciousness is driven by cortical engagement. Just as emotion is not all subcortical and shared in evolutionary branchings.

Sure, it's easy, it's even funny. If you didn't already... hit those links now. But remember, no matter how human like a capuchin monkey may seem, they are likely very different than humans with respect to ideas of fairness, justice and world view.

Alright. I blathered for too long. I'm sorry. Non human rights... how does this blathering help us to resolve this question? I don't know. None of us do. If we did it would be science that helped us get there. Science is doing that wrt consciousness. Early signs point toward a much wider scope than the Anthropocene human centered age has led us to this point. We need to expand our concepts of master and slave, competition and cooperation and any notion of human minds as central to the construction of the universe. Wheat and now corn are perhaps best thought our new masters. Machines are already out competeing our file clerks and soon to do so for our truck drivers. The human mind itself is certainly not the best model of thought. In times of massive despeciation like the one we are living in now it would be best to cast these rights as far and wide as possible. We don't know what will ultimately win the day. Not extending these rights all the way out to plants seems as foolhardy as the Dodo giving up the option of flight.

Note I responded to the blog post as well... with a slightly different take.

祝大家圣诞快乐。

Pfft

除了最无耻傲慢的战争计划之外，这些罗马天主教的卑鄙分子还能有什么呢?他们在一个大陆上支持非法移民，而在自己的祖国大陆上反对非法移民?

Im disgusted that it had to be so obvious before you'd even hear my question.

当你决定的时候会是什么样子?就像现在一样。一个笑嘻嘻的罗马天主教娈童牧师在你们的课堂上用浸泡过海洛因的针头在你们的孩子背后捅刀子。

When you finish building the border wall. Put computer ai guided laser turrets on top of it.

No topic should ever be denied public discussion on the basis that the subject matter is so disgusting that it can avoid being accurately discussed in public; least of all of these, roman catholics fan clubs.(especialy them since they're habitually in the habit of that sht throughout history(not that you'd even know it(supporting citation.)))

Side note, the origin of my point that the problem of recognising animal rights means youd have to revaluate human rights, came from a roman catholic misandrist heroin pusher on the catholic backed west highschool school board in madison wisconsin by the original last name Capone.(who was also very racist and pushing an athletic program involving raising children on growth hormones (early 1980s.) She's in the cia now last time i checked (mid 1990s(clinton administration)). Can we say "fked" here? Because thats what we are if you dont wise the fk up.)

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(虔诚的美国反党派唯一成员。)