Why Believe (or Disbelieve) in God?

19 December 2005

今天的节目是关于上帝是否存在的。Our guest will beWalter Sinnot-Armstrong. This is Walter's second appearance on Philosophy Talk. He did a great job on our episode aboutmoral dilemmas. And we're pleased to have him back.

I gather, from our research team's pre-interview with Walter, that he is a die-hard atheist. He thinks that there is ample reason to doubt God's existence and no good reason to affirm god's existence -- at least if one means the all powerful, all loving, all knowing god, existing outside of space and time. Since it's a season of religious, and quasi-religious holidays, we thought it might be fun to actually reflect on the rationality, or lack thereof, of the religious beliefs that lie behind the celebration of such holidays.

I'm going to post a long thread about today's topic after the show It's a topic I've thought a great deal about for a long time. I grew up in an intensely religous family and in my youth, I myself was a pretty intense and sincere believer. When I was in my midteens, though, something happened and I began to have serious doubts. I went on to Notre Dame where I met lots of very reflective and caring Catholics, whose religious belief played a major role in what sometimes seemed to me incredibly exemplary lives of service and compassion. With my then girlfriend, I would often go to high Mass. That was a moving experience. For a brief period, I even contemplated converting to Catholicism. That now seems like a distant past and another self to me.

But enough about me. I opened this thread to find out what some of you think. I invite you to weigh in with your own reaons for belief or disbeilef. If your comments are succint and well argued, we may have a chance to get to them on the air today.

那就开始吧,伙计们!但请注意,我们将删除违反理性和合作询问精神的评论,并将禁止违反此精神的人进一步发帖。

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Monday, December 19, 2005 -- 4:00 PM

Putting aside all the impersonal arguments for and

Putting aside all the impersonal arguments for and against the existence of a God who stands beyond nature and takes an interest in human affairs -- whether the universe betrays a *design* or not, whether the concept of God implies his existence, etc. -- the two most compelling arguments for and against his existence follow from human experience. (I'm more persuaded by the first argument, against, but if I were to be persuaded in favor of God it would be by the second argument, for):
Against: wish-fulfilment. God is just too convenient a concept. Everything difficult about a grown-up view of human life -- that it ends once and for all, that there's no giant mommy and daddy approving and taking note of what we do, that often the bad prosper while the good suffer, that we must decide for ourselves how and why to live -- all of this is answered and denied by faith in a God who grants life after death, to whom our deeds and misdeeds matter, who assures a moral order in the face of apparent cosmic indifference, and who gives us rules by which to live. Just too reassuring and, if you ask me, infantile.
For: the insufficiency of Darwin to explain the richness of human experience. I don't mean that Darwin can't explain the physical design of the human body and mind. What I mean is that, to explain morality, humor, aesthetic appreciation, and so forth under a darwinian account requires you to dismiss the reality and centrality of those spheres of existence. They're generally shrugged off as selfish genes gone awry, incidental and developmentally hypertrophied "spandrels", or elaborate (and implausible) mechanisms for surviving on the savannah. I'm still an atheist, but goodness, beauty, funniness, all the stuff that makes up human life, requires some sort of explanation that the run-of-the-mill atheist world-view has yet to offer.
Thanks for the show!
-Joe

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Monday, December 19, 2005 -- 4:00 PM

I am atheistic, but nowhere near in the sense that

我是无神论者,但与许多人所认为的意义相距甚远——我不相信上帝或更高的力量,是因为我认为这无关紧要,而不是因为上帝的存在是否能被证明或是否重要。
Likewise, I don't side with agnostics, who seem weak-spined at best, or hard-hearted aetheists who take it upon themselves to puncture others' fantasies about their Gods.
Regards, and Merrrrrry Xmas,
Bob

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Monday, December 19, 2005 -- 4:00 PM

The basic proposition of your guest - that to be w

The basic proposition of your guest - that to be worth discussing, 'God' must be personalized - is incorrect; good for writing a book, but a false presupposition. Further, the assumption that a non-personalized God is undemanding is simplistic.
Let us assume that 'God' is a phenomenon which is a property of matter - how 'bout a God Boson; something along those lines. I postulate that the presence of this property manifests, among other ways, in the experience of "being called" to behave in ways that are, frequently, profoundly inconvenient: people who experience this 'call' often sacrifice materialistic comfort, as well as significant amounts of their time (the one irreplaceable resource) to try to meet the demands of this 'call'. This is hardly a weak, insignificant 'God'. The fact that most of the people who do these things personalize their experience with religious trappings, merely shows the limits of their consciousness; it does nothing to illuminate the actual nature of the source of their experience of 'being called'. Further, the fact that people trot out their religious dogma as a rationalization for doing appaling things, says everything about people, but nothing about the question of the existence or nature of God.
I think that you guys have a great show, but I think that you need to switch to a 90-minute format: you routinely run out of time, just as you finally wade through the historical reasoning on a topic, or you wind up compromising the discussion to avoid that problem.

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Monday, December 19, 2005 -- 4:00 PM

我是个天生的无神论者。Even as a kid I cou

我是个天生的无神论者。即使在我还是个孩子的时候,我也无法理解我的朋友们怎么会相信那些东西。很明显,关于天空中一个隐形人、会说话的“蛇”和一个漂浮的、自制的动物园的故事都是编造的(或至少是相关的部分)。对我来说,没有一个能像超人那样逼真。或兔八哥。(一只会推理的兔子——现在看来这至少是可信的。)随着我年龄的增长,这些争论(就像它们那样)变得更加稀少和(在我看来)模糊,但随着辩证法的发展,同样的旧结论仍然存在。
I suppose if I had to name one argument I thought was the most dispositive, I guess it would be the problem of evil.
(One time when I was ten or so I do remember desperately calling out to God when I thought I was going to get in trouble about something. [I forgot to make my bed, or something.] As it happened, well...nothing happened, and as hoped for I didn't get in trouble. I suppose someone inclined to experience the world religiously would have taken my good fortune as evidence of God's grace. But, you know, God was characteristically mute on this issue of helping me out of the fix I thought I was in, so I didn't think he should get any credit.)

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Tuesday, December 20, 2005 -- 4:00 PM

A wise man once said that ?God is like a school

A wise man once said that ?God is like a school of tiny fishes, and the human mind is like a net with a wide mesh.? Rational arguments, for and against a Supreme Being, make the dodgy assumption that human consciousness can pin down the spiritual dimension. Many theologians believe you?d have better luck nailing jello to a wall. Amongst the inexplicable in the universe, God has to be pretty close to the top.
Belief in God is a matter of faith, but what of belief in the power of reason, or of the scientific method? Are those not ultimately faith based? Yes, scientists run experiments and gather empirical proofs, but so do monks and mystics apply spiritual theory in their ?experiments? of living and practical application of universal principles. Gandhi and King, for instance, gave the teaching of turning the other cheek a spin, and many devout people seek to live their lives in harmony with what they believe to be divine inspiration.
Life is full of unprovable assumptions. I assume I am not a brain in a vat. I assume I am not a god dreaming the universe into existence. I assume that the reader of this message is also a conscious being. Faith isn?t a dirty word, it?s essential to getting on with life. If believing in God makes you a better person, more power to you, and visa versa.

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Thursday, December 22, 2005 -- 4:00 PM

I believe that "God" is the universal laws of Natu

I believe that "God" is the universal laws of Nature cloaked in anthropomorphic poetry: "Omnipresent" as particles and gravity. "Omniscient" as cause-and-effect, yet mysterious as chaos theory and quantum physics. "Perfectly good" as Gaia, our living planet/organism, honed by millennia of constantly evolving ecosystems. "God" is a linguistic way for humans to wrap their heads around the concept of infinite and perfect. Certainly, the human brain appears to its owners to be the best model on the market, but what a brief flicker on the screen it is thus far! Actually, a mindless, even Zen-like, oneness with the inexorable flow of combinatorially-exploded cause and effect has proved to be a far better model for survival against the irresistable forces of entropy, as well as extremely efficient at mass-reproduction--the bacteria, the insect, the toad that buries itself innertly for years until rain. Indeed, it strikes us as intelligent that the way things are is a well-designed state of affairs, because we are gifted with a delightfully keen appreciation of the lot we are dealt. I believe that it may prove to be one of our "senses" to detect beauty and harmony. I believe there is every evolutionary reason to think so, since areas that strike us as beautiful and harmonious are environments which contribute better to our physical and reproductive well-being.

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Monday, December 26, 2005 -- 4:00 PM

God to me is a word that is nebulous, but historic

God to me is a word that is nebulous, but historically has most commonly been used to gain some advantage for the person using it. This advantage may take the form of approval of one's parents, peer group, or prospective lover; or to achieve a position of power within a group. Tied up with this is a desire to experience something larger than ourselves. I think that this desire for the transcendent is embodied in our brains in some form that we have yet to unravel (e.g. spandrel). Being a 99.99999% atheist (0.00001% agnostic), if God does exist, my ability to understand God would be comparable to a chimpanzee understanding string theory - it ain't gonna happen! As Soren realized back in the 19th century, if you decide to believe, don't try to rationalize it - you can't. You simply have to take that irrational leap to the absurd and BELIEVE.

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Thursday, January 5, 2006 -- 4:00 PM

God is real. God is Light. You know when people s

God is real. God is Light. You know when people say they die and see a light. They are not lying. That light is God. God goes beyond the rational and that is why philosophers can answer it. The only way to understand God is with God?s help. The human mind in its present human form cannot understand fully what is outside of it. It can never see the whole. Human perception that thing we use to make sense of the world outside of us is in fact flawed.
When you look at a sidewalk from where you stand to the far horizon, you see the parallel lines get closer together, when in fact you know that they are not getting closer in reality. How are you ever to explain God with a perception as flawed as that? You cannot understand God within the limits of human reason, but you can understand God?s creation nature. The closest way to understand nature is not only examining it like scientists do, but to also create with it like artists do. You have to work with the elements water, earth, fire, air, light. An example would be Leonardo Da Vinci, who not only examined the world, but tried to create with it experimenting with it to make his paintings. Try to draw a line with water! Now create shadow, form, beauty, perspective, even human grace. See how hard it is. Working with the Laws of Nature. Leonardo was a greater genius than Aristotle or Plato, because of his art. He was not only a philosopher but an artist. He also did not take his knowledge from previous philosophers but from nature, Gods work.
At one point in time, maybe outside of it, you will know that God does exist and then you will be complete. When that time comes you will not know it through reason. God goes beyond the limits of reason. When you understand that God exists you wont put much stock in human reason as before, thought human reason is very valuable. God is Beauty Supreme Knowledge and Wisdom, and Completeness. The perception of God is knowing that all else is illusion except for God, and being fully satisfied perceiving God.

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Saturday, January 14, 2006 -- 4:00 PM

I think the question of the existence of God is be

我认为上帝是否存在的问题无关紧要。我认为更好的问题是信仰上帝是否有实际意义。有不信教的人杀人,有信教的人杀人,无信教的人是和平主义者,有信教的人是和平主义者;快乐的人是有信仰的,不快乐的人是有信仰的,不快乐的人是没有信仰的,而快乐的人是没有信仰的。信仰上帝似乎对一个人的生活没有任何实际的影响。如果有人说无神论者肯定相信上帝不存在,而信徒肯定相信上帝确实存在,似乎一个人可以在这场战斗中保持中立,只要不接受信仰体系——是或否——如果它们不能切实改善一个人的生活。如果无神论者敲门说:“嘿,放弃上帝!”问题是,这对我的生活有影响吗?如果信徒敲门说:“嘿,接受上帝吧!”问题是,这会使我的生活有所不同吗?(如果上帝存在,在你敲我的门之前,我可能已经和他同步了;如果他不这样做,接受你的信仰体系也不会帮助我符合他的愿望,因为他根本不存在。) Can't one simply not take sides on the question of whether God exists because it doesn't matter either way?

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Tuesday, February 21, 2006 -- 4:00 PM

“你不能向上帝祈祷。”

“你不能向上帝祈祷。”
Jim Morrison (The Doors)
阿姆斯特朗把我们的时间浪费在反驳古老的巫师食谱和充满过时隐喻和误解的沙漠爬行小说上。(意思是:剥猫皮的方法不止一种?什么?}
零被发明。牛顿走了过来。卡库勒斯只有几百年的历史。这些都是新的食谱。而且还会有更多。重力吗?什么?弦理论,黑洞,平行宇宙,mandelbrot集合。即使在目前的物理假设中,也有一个回应祈祷的神的潜在位置。可能再加上几十亿年。 Anything could happen.

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 -- 4:00 PM

I'm with Joe Scwhartz:"God" is a easy catch-all

I'm with Joe Scwhartz:"God" is a easy catch-all explanation,and the bulk of disbelivers,which is the bulk of society,is also weak in that it avoids criticism from religion addicts.No wonder America is so sick.
I am an "out" atheist.I admit there is much about outer space that I do not know,and I could be wrong,but it is my experience that religous types are such bullies that I prefer to know in my own mind that I will not wilt to them.If I rupture a few sick religous fantasies along the way,all the better.Real men do NOT cling to anti-sexual philosophies.

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Saturday, May 27, 2006 -- 5:00 PM

i dont know whether or not i've come to the right

i dont know whether or not i've come to the right place to advocate my thoughts. it seems to me as though there is a meaning to life, but we chose to ignore it.
生命的意义在于通过提醒自己好事不会持续到任何人身上,而坏事永远不会消失,从而使彼此的生活变得不同。(因此,我们被建议感激美好的事物,因为它们都会有一个极端的结局)它会折磨那些不应该被折磨的人……它会让无辜的人受苦,给自私的人特权……这种情况会一直持续下去,直到只有自私的人才能有所作为,并出于自己的善意做出选择来拯救受折磨的人。除非每个人都有所作为,否则它永远无法在金钱和幸福之间找到平衡。我发现这个世界上没有一个人的生活是完整的,他们发现即使是自己的宗教或种族的人之间也存在隔离。这是因为使我们彼此疏远的不是种族,而是我们的性格和给予的意愿。这就是生命的意义……这就是为什么上帝继续在新生命中制造痛苦,希望治愈现在和未来的创伤。总而言之,上帝对那些希望保持信念的人是真实的,他们相信美好的事物会来治愈世界上的苦难。 and he is artificial to those who expect satisfication with their life without no real input.
anonymous.dopei_chicyi@hotmail.com

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Thursday, June 28, 2007 -- 5:00 PM

Does God exist or to put it in a non-religious way

Does God exist or to put it in a non-religious way is there an unseen entity that designed and made/fabricated the universe and everything in it?
If the answer is yes it raises another question that is what is the nature/profile of God? If you were the parent of a very young child, you would not expect and demand that it admire, worship and genuflect to you because you are superior to it. The only thing you should desire is that it would love you as you loved it. So it clear that if an entity wanted/demanded worship it would have a very unwell mind.
我没有信仰,只有真理。这是我知道绝对正确的事情以及我准备更新的百分比概率。我绝对知道有一个实体设计和制造/制造了宇宙。我不使用创造这个词,因为它来自拉丁语,最初的意思是生,带来(性)。马丁·里斯(宇宙学家)说:“值得注意的是,原子已经组装成实体,这些实体以某种方式能够思考它们的起源。”他应该说的是,从理论大爆炸后不久出现的所有材料来看,生命是不可能产生的。不聪明的原子永远是那样的,不管它们以什么方式结合在一起。如果你认为我是对的,记住这个看不见的实体完全控制着它的宇宙和它里面的一切,它会想隐藏还是暴露自己?它藏起来的原因是什么?为了回答这个问题,让我们看看上帝这个实体的心灵/本性/侧面。 And consider that if I am right it knows what I am writing/saying and can stop me any time it wants to.
The profile of God is of an eternal entity morally perfect and wise with absolute power to do whatever it/he desires and is the maker of everything. It /he desires/demands to be loved, admired, worshiped, knelt before and obeyed for reasons of the preceding qualities. Consider how puerile this is. If you were the father of a young boy or girl you would not say ?Because I am wiser than you and can do many things that you can not and was responsible for you being here kneel down and worship me?. If you did so, you would be mad. That is absolutely true of the biblical God. Open your eyes and think. At this point, I should point out that the biblical Satan desires the same as God that is for you to kneel down, worship, and admire him.
Worship (OE weordhscipe (WORTH, -SHIP)) worthiness, merit, recognition, honour & respect, reverent homage or service paid to God, adoration or devotion, adore as divine etc, etc.
For the purpose of this discussion let us suppose that an entity (God or whoever..the whoever is very important) designed and made/fabricated the Universe and everything in it. Remembering that he is perfect in every way; would he want or desire to make anything that was flawed? Or being God would not all of his works be perfect as he supposedly is? Consider your body. How extremely fallible it is in so many ways. Your reproductive areas (the penis, vagina etc) are right next to the part of your body that excretes waste matter (faeces). Would you design it like that? If you were living from before 200 years in the past how disgusting it must have been. Even now if society broke down and you had no soap or toilet paper think of how disgusting and smelly you would be. You live on a ball of very hot iron and molten rock with a thin unstable crust. It has a thin atmosphere and is continuously bombarded by radiation from the sun which if it was not for the earth?s magnetic field would destroy all life. This ball (the planet earth) travels at 18 miles each second through the black vacuum of space in a circle round the sun. Consider how bizarre and grotesque this is. Ask yourself; is the mind of God bizarre and grotesque?
上帝创造的一切都是丑陋和有缺陷的,任何聪明人都能看出来。考虑到这可能是上帝故意的恶意。
To be evil, malicious, harmful and a liar means that you are flawed (mad). Would a morally perfect entity (God) make anything that could become so? And even if he did, would he not remove it instantly if it did?
抛开naïve,幼稚的亚当和夏娃的童话故事和伊甸园,考虑一下宗教人士用来原谅人类的坏/丑和考虑你的地位的自由意志的论点。一个说谎、欺骗、恶意或不道德的人是没有自由意志的。一个疯狂的有缺陷的人没有智力(理解)或自由意志。他/她可能很聪明(大多数成功的罪犯都是如此),但没有自由意志。关于自由意志的论点是没有逻辑的。狮子,老虎,豹,鹰,鳄鱼和鲨鱼,当他们跟踪,杀死和吞噬他们的猎物时,有自由意志吗?自杀式炸弹袭击者、杀人、强奸或虐待士兵、挪用公款者、剥削他人的人、暴徒和冷漠的罪犯有自由意志吗?不,他们没有。他们没有智慧(理解)或自由意志。根据所谓的《圣经》谁应该对此负责? Where does the buck stop? If you are religious, the answer is God. He is supposedly both all-powerful and perfect in righteousness. How and why does this supposedly perfect entity for a microsecond allow all the evil and badness?
考虑到我们是照着神的形象造的(创世记1:27)。如果我们是腐败和有缺陷的,那么上帝也是如此。如果上帝拥有完美的智慧和强大的力量(正如我们所认为的),他就会知道和理解摆在面前的所有可能性。如果你有能力阻止一个人被折磨你能暂时撇开这个话题吗?上帝允许了数千年的谎言,苦难,折磨,堕落,折磨,悲伤,谋杀,奴役。在这个宇宙或其他任何地方都不能原谅这种行为。如果他真的存在,那他就是一个疯狂、丑陋、令人难以置信的罪犯。
你为什么不睁开眼睛?
Pause.
Now you might give the perfect stupid, worthless and puerile reply?God moves in mysterious ways his wonders to perform. You might say..I have faith. Do you have faith that God will stop you from being burgled? Do you have faith that God will stop you from getting cancer and heal you when you do? Do you have faith that you will not be attacked at any time? Do you have faith that the world is good when it obviously is not? Do you have faith that God will guide all your footsteps and protect you? Do you have faith that the meek will inherit the earth..smile? Do you have faith that Allah will take you to paradise after you blow yourself up and everyone else in your vicinity? Do you have faith that all the bad and evil people will get there comeuppance? Do you have faith that a fictional person will give you an eternity in paradise when you die? Do you have faith when you are dieing of hunger that it is Gods good will? Do you have faith that when you are old and alone and your body hardly functions and your memory is almost gone that it is Gods will for you? Do you have faith when your child/husband/wife is taken from you that it is Gods will?
If you do, you are like Alice living in a fairytale wonderland.
All of this is only the tip of the Iceberg.
Robertrobert77@fsmail.net

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Saturday, June 30, 2007 -- 5:00 PM

My contribution is in the form of a few questions.

My contribution is in the form of a few questions.
How are your core beliefs working for you?
你对自己和他人都很平和吗?
Do you have a strong sense of purpose in life?
How do your core beliefs help you achieve these things?

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curmudgeon

Tuesday, July 3, 2007 -- 5:00 PM

Mack: are you saying that there is reason to belie

麦克:你是说我们有理由相信上帝,因为它能帮助我们获得一套对我们有用的核心信仰?
But surely if we are to obtain a set of core beliefs which works for us, and if we are to be at peace with ourselves, and if we are to have a strong sense of purpose in life, we should turn towards rational thought, reflection and PHILOSOPHY rather than blind faith in the existence of a God?
Hardly anyone takes every line of the Bible or Koran literally anymore - there are some teachings in them which are too abhorrent or are otherwise too inconsistent with our modern way of living. On what basis do we cherry-pick the lessons which we deem are right and useful from the others? Rational thought, reflection and Philosophy!
Pierre-Simon Laplace:
"I have no need to make such an assumption about the existence of God."

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Thursday, November 6, 2008 -- 4:00 PM

伟大的博客。We each possess a certain mass of elem

伟大的博客。我们每个人都拥有一定数量的基本意识,这些基本意识可以表达原始意识(上帝)的一部分,而原始意识(上帝)拥有受其起源的条件和发展所约束的特殊元素。这个最初的部分不能与周围的部分分开。这个原始意识的碎片逐渐扩展自己,并将最能体现它自身的部分推到我们意识的表面。如果我们要有意识地把握基本意识创造的本质,就无法影响这种基本意识的扩展状态。一旦我们意识到某些原创的东西,临界点几乎会立即出现,因为我们反思的门槛本身带来了一些明确的东西;也因为我们能够清楚地审视自己的内心深处,评估我们反思的意义……
Grace Of Distinction

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Friday, January 1, 2010 -- 4:00 PM

I have for years go whene i am free to the desert

I have for years go whene i am free to the desert for days, and come to the co comclusion. God is the universe and the univers is God.That is where we came from.

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Monday, August 30, 2010 -- 5:00 PM

我想澄清这个邪恶的问题。As far

我想澄清这个邪恶的问题。据我所知,问题是这样的:如果上帝(即上帝)。如果存在一个全能的、全知的、仁慈的存在),那么邪恶就不可能存在于这个世界上。但世界上存在着邪恶,因此,上帝本身不存在。
The first thing to point out is that from such an argument one can only conclude that either: god is not all powerful, not all knowing, or not all good. I am fairly certain this would rule out the belief in the conception of God most present day people have. For any God to have real meaning, the first two characteristics seem more necessary than the third, Omni-benevolence. It is here that I wish to point out a problem with the soundness of the argument from the Problem of Evil.
Recall what Socrates inquired in perhaps his greatest moment: Does God love what is Good because it is Good, or is it Good because it is loved by God? Claiming that Evil exists in the world in the manner required to support the atheist's argument is tantamount to claiming that God loves what is Good because it is Good because the only way one could identify Evil in the world is if it exists independent of God. If such were the case, whether or not God exists would be of little value. If he does, that'd be great. We could praise him as we would a parent, and then some more for his infinite wisdom and power. If he does not exist, then we still have a source of morality. However, if you accept that what is Good is Good because it is loved by God, this together with God's Omnipotence and Omniscience are sufficient to deduce that Evil does NOT exist in the world(also assuming that God always will's what he loves to be the case, i.e. that he is supremely selfish). This makes the argument from the Problem of Evil either mostly irrelevant, if God loves what is Good because it is Good, or unsound, if what is Good is what is loved by God.
Having said all that, the more specific property of God as being all loving may still in fact pose a problem. In this case however, the problem is not Evil, but pain. How can we account for birth defects, the existence of diseases, or even the mortal and thus pain stricken nature of humanity with an all loving being? Moreover, pain which results from human behavior may be excusable on the basis of God wanting humanity to have free will, but how do we explain pain which results from non-intentional entities? And, perhaps the biggest generalization of this question: Why does Conflict in any form exist? If god is all loving, then he would not create two things, one of which has the ability to conflict with the other's will or existence generally.

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Noah Hirsch

Wednesday, September 16, 2020 -- 1:34 AM

Although many will argue that

Although many will argue that to believe in God is irrational I believe on the contrary that it is irrational and unreasonable to deny that there is one all-power, infinite, eternal, invisible God.

我认为斯蒂芬·查诺克在他的经典著作《上帝的存在和属性》中提出了不受欢迎的论点来支持上帝的存在和属性。

Concerning the question if it is God who caused the universe because everything must have a cause who then made God? I answer that God is eternal, having His being in and of Himself. I argue that the First Cause must necessarily have been an intelligent Being with sufficient power to bring the universe into being.

I would challenge any atheist to examine his or her own heart what is the cause he or she chooses to believe some sort of first cause other than an eternal and intelligent Being? Examine and probe your own heart. Is the real reason that there is not evidence that points to there being a God who is the first cause, or is it rather than you are avoiding coming to a conclusion that involves the existence of God, i. e. that you are unwilling to acknowledge the being of God?

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Stephen Chu

Friday, September 10, 2021 -- 8:22 PM

I don't care your complaints

I don't care your complaints about if He is there or not. Most children are unsatisfied with their parent no matter what they do as we know. and there's always reasons hard to answered. However, if we go bake to the Bible Romans 1:19-20, God proved his existence by what He created on the earth. Anyhow, as we now know that all creatures' genes are programmed by ATCG 4 nucleotides. So, as computer needs smart people to programmed to work, then, who programmed ours and all creatures? From here we know, as computer codes has wisdom in it to make it work, so do creatures genes have wisdom in it too, then we understand why spiders know how to weave a parallel and well-divided web (It's probably grad 5 math, try to draw a web on your desk, can you do it better than him? If not, don't be frustrated, your opponent is not the spider, but the programmer.) Because what we learned cannot pass to the next generation,; but the wisdom hidden in the gene can pass to the next generation, nest gene, next........ (Don't pretend to me that you saw a spider teach another spider how to weave.) I don't care whatever questions you have, may I ask you, who programmed your Gene?

因为生物的智慧隐藏在基因中,所以除了是否有上帝之外,最难回答的问题之一是:谁先来?鸡肉或鸡蛋吗?你无可争议的科学答案是什么?

如果你知道母鸡知道的3个秘密,你就可以制造一台自动孵蛋机。温度,湿度,以及何时翻鸡蛋。(谷歌,买一个。)

As turning the egg, a hen got to turn it every 3 hours for up to 20 days. No turn no chick. This is scientific knowledge. How does a hen, or any mothers know to do what to their children? The wisdom is in the programmed gene.

And because of 3 reasons above and gene wisdom, it got to be the chicken first.
there are many secrets in an egg. Try google bus burn by fire, and will found many people burn to death just because they can't break the window. If it is so, then how the know-nothing little chick can get out of the egg? please investigate.

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