Where Does Morality Come From?
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05 July 2007

posted by Alex Miller

During the program on Sunday July 1st I drew a distinction between two ways in which this question might be taken. First, we could take it as a question about the *causal origin* of morality: how does it originate? (Compare: where did Stonehenge come from? This would be answered by telling a story about how those prehistoric people managed to get those huge stones from the west of Wales to Salisbury Plain). This is an interesting question, but I suspect that it is not quite the question that philosophers have in mind when they discuss the issue. The answer about causal origin is presumably that morality comes from *us*, or from the way we have evolved through history, or something roughly along those lines. However, philosophers are interested less in the empirical-cum-anthropological question about the causal origins of morality (which is not to say that it is uninteresting) and more in the question about the source of the *authority* of morality. Given that morally right actions are the actions that we ought to perform, what grounds this “ought”? One answer would be that the authority of morality stems from the fact that right actions are, by definition, the acts that God approves of. If being kind to Granny Smith is approved of by God, then it is no wonder that I ought to be kind to Granny Smith, no wonder, in other words, that the prescription to be kind to Granny Smith is authoritative. God, the supreme authority, approves of it, so what more could you want by way of a ground for the authority of the claim that you ought to help her?

This is the kind of story about the source of morality’s authority that many philosophers consider to have been destroyed by the argument that Socrates gives in Plato’s dialogue *Euthyphro*. In that dialogue, Euthyphro claims that the rightness of right acts consists in the fact that they are approved by God: by definition, an act is right if and only if it is approved by God. I take it that an updated version of the argument Plato has Socrates deliver against this suggestion goes something like this. God is supposed to be omnibenevolent as well as omniscient and omnipotent: in other words, he’s supposed to be infinitely good in addition to being infinitely knowledgeable and infinitely powerful. But what is it for an agent to be good? An agent is good if they do the right thing *because* it is right: if you are kind to Granny Smith because you want to be left a large sum of money in her will, that is not the action of a good person. A good person, therefore, is a person who performs right acts for the right sorts of reasons. And now for the killer blow against Euthyphro. If being right consists in being approved by God, if being right is by definition a matter of being approved by God, then the claim that e.g.

(*) God approves of kindness because it is right

becomes empty of all content. Since being right consists in being approved by God (*) turns out to be an empty truism along the lines of

(**) God approves of kindness because God approves of kindness.

在Euthyphro的立场上,我们因此失去了坚持像(*)这样的主张的能力。如果我们失去了坚持(*)这类主张的能力,我们就失去了上帝是善的想法,因为善就是做正确的事情(或至少赞成正确的事情),因为它们是正确的。如果我们不相信上帝是善的,我们就不相信上帝是全能的,或无限的善。所以,总而言之,为了保留Ethyphro的理论,即善在于得到上帝的认可,我们必须将上帝视为一个本质上的“非道德的”代理人,一个很可能认可正确的事情的代理人,但不是“因为”它们是正确的。

So, God is of no help to us if we are seeking to answer the question “Where Does Morality Come From?” construed as a question about the source of morality’s authority. If we are to make a serious attempt at accounting for the authority of morality we have to jettison God, and for all intents and purposes restrict ourselves to the sorts of materials that would be acceptable to an atheist.

这个怎么样。正确的行为是那些倾向于促进有知觉生物的福祉,考虑到正直、诚实、公正等价值观。

Suppose that if I’m kind to Granny Smith her well being will be promoted: she’ll feel less lonely, for example. Suppose also, that my being kind to Granny Smith does not involve my lying to her or to anyone else, does not involve any violation of anyone’s integrity, and is not performed at the expense of anyone else’s well-being, and so on.

所以善待史密斯奶奶能以一种可接受的方式促进她的健康。这就是为什么我应该对她好。与上帝无关。那么为什么这不是一个关于道德权威来源的可信的故事呢?

请注意,道德的权威并不依赖于我们,因为对奶奶好是否能促进她的幸福等等与我是否“认为”它能促进她的幸福无关(可能也与“她”是否认为它能促进她的幸福无关)。

因此,就因果起源的问题而言,道德至少部分地取决于我们。就权威的问题而言,道德的权威与事物对我们的影响密切相关,因为事物对我们的影响会极大地影响我们的幸福。但这并不意味着我们可以决定某一特定行为或行为的对错,因为某一特定行为或行为是否影响我们的幸福并不仅仅取决于我们。

Some good introductory level books on related themes:

Simon Blackburn *Being Good* (Oxford: OUP 1999).

Russ Schafer-Landau *Whatever Happened to Good and Evil?* (New York: OUP 2004).

Michael Parenti *The Culture Struggle* (Seven Stories Press 2006)

Parenti’s book is more on politics than philosophy, but his chapters on cultural relativism and ethnocentrism are excellent. He'd be a great guy to have on Philosophy Talk!

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Friday, July 6, 2007 -- 5:00 PM

Of course the criticism of a religious origin of t

Of course the criticism of a religious origin of the good is on target, but I think that the alternative that you have not explored here is the idea that the good is a matter of the achievement of goals and how to do so. So for example, if I have a goal to go to New York then certain things will promote the achievement of that goal while others will inhibit it. Thus we can say that this is a good spoon or a good sentence because it fulfills the goals appropriate to a spoon or a sentence. We can also ask the same question regarding a person.
当然,所有这些目标和手段都不是凭空存在的。某些目的先于或促进了其他目的(例如,获得一些钱将帮助你到达纽约以及其他许多事情),某些手段也会强化其他目的。有许多普遍的选择通常有利于目标的实现,也有一些通常是不利于目标的,如诚实、生产力、教育、交朋友等等。这些更普遍的选择非常符合普遍的道德美德,你不觉得吗?

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Sunday, July 15, 2007 -- 5:00 PM

Weird that you have Alex Millar from Birmingham Un

Weird that you have Alex Millar from Birmingham University where he hasn't been for at least 5 years, maybe more.
How long ago was this show recorded?

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Monday, July 23, 2007 -- 5:00 PM

I think that the "moral good" is a basic human goo

我认为“道德善”是一种基本的人类善,它主要支持“生活”的善,并与之相互作用。除了道德上的善和生活之外,我认为目的性、审美经验、知识、友谊和游戏是人类的其他基本善。我相信这些基本的人的利益是不可比较的,不可简化的,全面的——人们可以用它们建立一个全面的人的价值理论。这一套作为分析概念的基本人类利益也可以用来解构任何制度或理念的价值层面。

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Thursday, August 9, 2007 -- 5:00 PM

I appreciate Alex Miller's analysis, but I think t

我很欣赏亚历克斯·米勒的分析,但我认为,如果我们真的质疑并完善他“促进众生福祉”的标准,我们就会得到功利主义,这是罗尔斯很有说服力地驳斥了的。

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Wednesday, August 15, 2007 -- 5:00 PM

There is no absolute morality, because the ideas o

There is no absolute morality, because the ideas of 'good' and 'bad' assume some sort of external scale to which all of our humanly actions must be weighed against. A good action to one may not neccessarily be a good action for another(ex, by killing the enemy soldier, I am doing a good deed for myself and my country, but not to the opposing forces.)So, by saying that something is 'good' and something is 'bad', you are almost laying out an objective list of criteria for one to follow in order to be 'good', which would necessitate some sort of supreme, omnipotent being.
Morality comes from humans will to power, or will to freedom. In order for one to act in a 'good' sense, it must be in a way as to promote the freedom of others. Now, this is not in an absolute sense, where there are objective criteria for how to promote this freedom, but more in such a way that it lays out the basis for a future, undetermined system of values in such a being. The only way to act in the ethical is to promote the freedom of others, because it allows for personal freedom. If one does not promote others freedom, and has them acting according to their agenda, then that person is not truly free. Their lives are being controlled or determined by their own master-slave relationship to The Other, and their lack of freedom. It is only when the individual promotes The Other to act freely that one can live in an ethical way, for this is the only way that the individual can live freely, and our personal freedom is the only body that governs absolutely over our behaviour.

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Monday, September 3, 2007 -- 5:00 PM

Alex Miller, Concerning "Where does Morality Come

Alex Miller,
关于“道德从何而来?”我理解你所谓的“真理”的问题。重点似乎是,它可以更准确地称为循环推理,这将,或至少应该,使理由反感非有神。就像你一样,我认为有一个更好的方法去做这件事,它来自于自然。人们可能会说,决定道德对错的是“野兽的本性”。在我看来,任何在道德审查下违背了存在之善的行为都是坏的行为。相反地,任何维护存在之善的行为都必须是道德上的善。每个存在都有一个性质,我们发现从这个性质来维持它的整体和完整的某些要求。例如,一朵花需要食物、水和阳光来维持它的健康。还需要其他的东西,这取决于我们所考虑的存在本质的哪个方面,可以说,每个存在都有它自己的必需品。 In context of the example you posed, Granny Smith's nature as a human person requires she be treated in this way and not some other. In comparison to a flower she has similar requirements as well as others that are particular to her higher nature as human. Whereas she might need to "feel less lonely" a flower would not have any such need. Either way moral truth is determined by the being under consideration.
所以我同意你的观点,道德问题“独立于我是否*认为*它促进了她的幸福(可能也独立于*她是否认为它促进了她的幸福)”。这首先是一个客观的标准,基于奶奶的天性,不受任何人的想法影响。就像你说的"与上帝无关"所以这对无神论者来说应该是可以接受的。至少从表面上看,神的问题不必出现。无神论者可能不同意这种推理的唯一原因是,他们没有像他们应该的那样清楚地看到现实。他们可能会看到与花相反的东西,或者奶奶的本性是好的,但我们知道它不是。然而,这种关于道德权威的论证可以被称为自然法则(不要与科学的自然法则相混淆),或者换句话说,来自良心的论证。所以,这一切都取决于一个人对存在本质的感知和直观理解的清晰程度,以及他们的良心的清晰程度。
Now what is good about this position is that it leads right up to God without having to invoke Him. If one can get a clear minded atheist to agree with it the next step could be taken of introducing the more substantial basis for this argument. That of cause and effect: we have a nature, we have an intellect and a conscience with which to distinquish between right and wrong precisely because these are effects. We do not cause ourselves nor the powers of body and soul we utilize. As effects they are dependent upon a Cause that has these effects within itself. We can get into the finiteness of our powers of intellect and conscience and the infinite Source they mirror, but they in themselves point directly to the absolute moral Authority from which we know all authority comes. Thus morality has it's basis first in God and secondarily in our nature which reflects God's nature.