War, Sacrifice, and the Media

10 September 2011

In honor of the 10thAnniversary of 9/11 and in lasting solidarity with all the victims of both the original tragedy and its costly and controversial aftermath, we thought we’d rebroadcast our episode on War, Sacrifice, and the Media this week. We don’t seem to have blogged for the original episode – somehow that got sacrificed. But here is a fresh one for your consideration.

每当美国卷入一场遥远土地上的战争时,我们往往也卷入了一场离家不远的战争。这第二次战争不是用坦克、炸弹或导弹,而是用思想、文字和图像。我在思考关于战争叙述和表现的斗争——它的意义、它的成本和收益、它的胜利者和被征服者、它的战斗人员和非战斗人员。谁控制了战争的叙述和表现,谁就控制了公众对战争的看法。

Now if you are the cynical sort, you might well think that ’s pretty obvious who determines what gets represented and how it gets represented? Elites - moneyed elites, political elites, media elites. War comes at us through a top-down system of politically, economically and culturally condition representations designed to make us feel sympathy for our side and antipathy or indifference for the other side.

这似乎是事实,但事实上,所谓的精英阶层——顺便说一下,约翰和我都是持卡会员——并不总是用统一的声音说话。自上而下的努力通过大众代表的方式来控制思想和操纵同情几乎从未成功过,在我们这样一个暴躁而喧闹的民主国家,至少从长远来看是这样的。值得庆幸的是,在互联网时代,人们确实可以获得其他信息来源,提供不同的看法。即使是最压制和最控制的政权也无法将竞争叙事完全排除在公众视野之外。还记得那些勇敢的伊朗学生在路障上发推特吗?最近,埃及的民众起义似乎得以持续,至少部分原因是通过互联网进行动员、告知和组织的能力。

Still, it would be a serious mistake to underestimate the power of top-down narration. In the early days of the Afghanistan and then the Iraq war, the so-called mainstream media bent over backwards to tell the story of the war in terms pretty much dictated by the administration. There were dissenting voices – but they were pushed pretty far off center stage.

但这里还有一个更深层次的问题。不同的叙述是不同的还是有可能一个是真的一个是假的?我们如何判断哪个是对的,哪个是错的?由谁来决定代表什么以及如何代表?

The realist in me wants to say that of course there can be narratives that are more true to the facts and narratives that are less true the facts. A narrative of the Iraq war that focuses on the casualties on our side and leaves out the death and displacement we imposed on the innocent citizens of that country is incomplete and less true to the facts. Is there any question about that?

但在我看来,我们的叙述注定是不完整的,因为它们总是从特定和党派的角度构建。这只是一个事实,在战争中,敌人战斗人员的生命比自己士兵的生命更重要。我们对战争的叙述必然会对我们自己的生命和损失给予特权,而对遥远的另一方的生命和损失不予重视。

You could say that that’s not a good thing. It’s a bad thing that blinds us to the common humanity w share with our adversaries. But on the other hand, It’s a human thing. We are sort of biologically programmed to care more about those near and dear than about the distant other.

Of course, biology is not destiny. Whatever we’re biologically programmed to do, we morally ought to care about all human beings equally.

But now ask yourself where would such “oughts” come from? If humans are simply hard-wired to care more about the near and dear than the distant other, would it really be possible anyway for us to treat all lives as equally worthy of our sympathy?

To be sure, the reach of human sympathy isn’t just a product of unaided biology. It’s also shaped by culture, society and politics. In the right sort of political, social and cultural context, we could have equal regard for the lives of innocent victims of war everywhere. Problem is, it is a little hard to imagine how to get from here to where it seems we ought to be.

幸运的是,我们的嘉宾朱迪思·巴特勒(Judith Butler)有很多话要说,也有很多话在这些话题上引发了很多思考。虽然她有时被认为是一个令人生畏的、难以理解的思想家,但当涉及到她更学术的工作时,她在这个话题上是清晰的、清晰的、有力的。听一听,我相信你的想法会在这个国家纪念的时刻被激发出来。


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mirugai

Saturday, September 10, 2011 -- 5:00 PM

WAR My cousin, Spook, says: There is no human pro

WAR
My cousin, Spook, says: There is no human progress so long as killing people is seen as a solution to problems.
The foreign policy of the United States (similar to that found in the Old Testament) has two aspects: 1. Demonization of others, and 2. Irrationality to create fear. War is how that irrationality is demonstrated.
I have a question: in a highly contested presidential election, why is the nation?s number one issue, war, not even mentioned in the campaign? And what does this say about our country?
There is no better illustration of the uselessness of philosophy than listening to a philosophical discussion of war? because war, philosophically analyzed, should never be used. And no philosophical argument will ever change anyone?s mind about war.
请看纪录片,Restreppo?了解一些关于战争的事情。

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Guest

Saturday, September 10, 2011 -- 5:00 PM

Until we teach our children never to war, The wars

Until we teach our children never to war,
The wars will never end.
=
MJA

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Guest

Saturday, September 10, 2011 -- 5:00 PM

And until we teach our children equality, There wi

And until we teach our children equality,
There will be none.
Equality 101
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MJA

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Guest

Saturday, September 10, 2011 -- 5:00 PM

首先,这是悲剧,不是悲剧。Small point

首先,这是悲剧,不是悲剧。小问题,但对审稿的编辑来说很重要。对我来说,你重新发布这个话题似乎是同步的——我第一次没有参与。为了扩大对世界事务、时间和空间的认识,我一直在阅读希钦斯的《热血、阶级和乡愁》。这本书286页的第二段是这样开头的:“民主的美国经常——通常是在海外发生一些逆转或尴尬之后——进行调查。”这段话继续描述了希钦斯对某些反面和/或尴尬的看法。
At least two syndicated columnists have opined on the 911 remembrances in the last three days. Dionne and Robinson both said,in essence: move on America. It is time for us to cease the wringing of hands, wailing and gnashing of teeth. Indeed. America has either won the war on terror or she never will. And if she never will win such 'war', she will adjust.
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH, a venerable, if anal news outlet in my hometown, devoted page after page to 911 in today's edition. I suppose this nationalistic pablum is devoured by many readers. But, some of my nontraditional friends are unimpressed by the outpouring of such fervor. The fact that someone like Hitchens would use a word like synchronicity in a book about history is instructive.
哲学在战时的规划、应用和战略中没有合理的应用。米鲁盖对这一现实的评估是非常正确的。希钦斯说的宗教毒害一切也是正确的。And just so---this is where we live, LION*
(*like it or not)

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mirugai

Saturday, September 10, 2011 -- 5:00 PM

WAR My cousin, Spook, says: There is no human pro

WAR
My cousin, Spook, says: There is no human progress so long as killing people is seen as a solution to problems.
The foreign policy of the United States (similar to that found in the Old Testament) has two aspects: 1. Demonization of others, and 2. Irrationality to create fear. War is how that irrationality is demonstrated.
I have a question: in a highly contested presidential election, why is the nation?s number one issue, war, not even mentioned in the campaign? And what does this say about our country?
There is no better illustration of the uselessness of philosophy than listening to a philosophical discussion of war? because war, philosophically analyzed, should never be used. And no philosophical argument will ever change anyone?s mind about war.
请看纪录片,Restreppo?了解一些关于战争的事情。

Guest's picture

Guest

Saturday, September 10, 2011 -- 5:00 PM

Until we teach our children never to war, The wars

Until we teach our children never to war,
The wars will never end.
=
MJA

Guest's picture

Guest

Saturday, September 10, 2011 -- 5:00 PM

And until we teach our children equality, There wi

And until we teach our children equality,
There will be none.
Equality 101
=
MJA

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Guest

Wednesday, September 21, 2011 -- 5:00 PM

Why we make war with each

Why we make war with each other, and what is required to get normal, socially functional people to kill each other indiscriminately are questions rich in philosophical possibilities. I was frustrated that professor Butler seemed limited to fussing with the definitions, and dismissing the entire phenomena with the question "How can we do something so irrational?" Since it 's been our constant companion, since the beginning of history at least, a much better question is "How can this be rational, as it must certainly be to be so ubiquitous?"

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Harold G. Neuman

Monday, March 7, 2022 -- 12:45 PM

A friend in Ecuador sent me a

一位在厄瓜多尔的朋友通过社交媒体给我发了一篇帖子。报告详细描述了俄罗斯入侵乌克兰10天后的损失。我没有任何方法来验证这些数据,但是,如果是真的,这表明这次入侵对入侵者来说并不是“漫步公园”。世界杯赛程2022赛程表欧洲区没有统计死亡人数,但设备和弹药的损失很大。我们只能希望,这是一份真实的报告,加上制裁,也许会阻止继续起诉这次攻击。这是一个很大的希望。对于一场失败的政变来说,每周200亿英镑是一大笔钱。
有人想知道为什么这一点如此重要?如果普京聪明的话,这是一个可怕的事实。没有人说过他是明智的。
Or even that he must be.

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