The Value of a College Education

13 January 2017

从1月22日开始,我们将播出关于大学教育价值的节目。这是我们10月份在加州里士满的迪安扎高中的一群高中生面前表演和录制的节目。那所学校的学生在种族和经济上都非常多元化——我们的听众反映了这一现实。Beside the episode, which will be broadcast next week and available online starting the following week, you can hear the extended audio of audience questions that didn’t make the broadcasthere.但我们认为,在节目准备播出前就开始对话是件好事。因此我写了这个博客!我们想知道你对大学教育价值的看法。

When most people think of the value of college, these days, they tend to think in terms of dollars and cents. How much will it cost me? How much will I have to take out in loans to pay for it? Will my future earnings make college worth the cost? Stuff like that. Those are certainly good questions. And if you want answers to those questions, one place to turn is to the work of my Stanford CollegeCaroline Hoxby, who is one of the foremost economist of education in the entire world.

Economics certainly gives us one way to measure the value of a college education. But it’s not the only way to measure. Indeed, I think it’s not even the best way. College is about so much more than the size of your future paycheck. I’m with W.E.B. Dubois. He said, “The true college curriculum is the riddle of existence.” And its goal “is not to earn meat” -- i.e. money -- “but to know the end and aim of that life which meat nourishes.”

现在我听到一些刻薄的读者说,“说得像一个哲学专业的学生……”但关于这一点有两点。首先,我很自豪地说,我碰巧靠哲学谋生。Probably more than your average plumber makes –I’m talking to you Marco Rubio. Actually, philosophy wasn’t my major in college. I started out as an engineer, dabbled in psychology, then mathematics, and finally ended up majoring in this cool Great Books program. Which goes to show, in my mind that you should go with the major you love in college and let the economic future take care of itself. It turns out that your undergraduate major doesn’t have all that much direct bearing on what your end up doing for living. Indeed, the aforementionedCaroline Hoxbyhassome pretty interesting insightson the connection between undergraduate major and lifetime future earnings, and the results might surprise you.

当然,如果你试着把这些告诉紧张的父母,他们担心孩子在哲学方面的花哨学位是通向贫穷、失业和住在地下室的快速车票,你根本不太可能让他们搬家。我不否认父母可能是个问题。但我一直告诉学生们,总有一天你必须听从自己内心的声音,屏蔽掉父母的声音。但如果你担心你的父母会对你选择哲学专业发表意见,我有一个小建议。只是谎言。你可能认为我在开玩笑,但我实际上是一个死连续剧。你先是撒谎说"我要主修舞蹈"你等一会儿,让恐慌来袭。然后你突然告诉他们真相。“开个玩笑。 I’m really going to major in philosophy.” They’ll be too relieved to give you grief.

Now if your parents are the more reasonable type, there’s no reason to lie. Philosophy majors have one of the lowest post-graduation unemployment rates. Lower than certain stem majors like chemical engineering, math, biology, or physics. Lower than more vocational and applied majors like graphic design, industrial engineering, or architecture. And the point isn’t that philosophy won’t ruin your life, after all. The point is that philosophy – and other fields of the humanities and social sciences – helps prepare you for life. They do so by enhancing student’s powers of mind, expanding their horizons, deepening their sympathies. That’s why Du Bois loved the Liberal Arts so much.

Of course, I grant that most people see college quite that way these days. Way too many people see college -- especially elite colleges like Stanford or Harvard or Yale -- as the brass ring at the end of some frantic race. That’s why parents and students often allow their college choices to be influenced by those pointless colleges ratings put out by the likes of US News and World Report. And why they sometimes spend tens of thousands of dollars on private college counselors. Speaking only for myself, I would love to put a complete stop to the whole multibillion dollar private counselor industry. Unfortunately, that genie is not going back into its bottle anytime soon. But I do hope that our episode this week gives both parents and students and different way to think about the true value of a college education.

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mckemper84@gmail.com

Sunday, June 16, 2019 -- 12:00 PM

Why did you dodge the

Why did you dodge the question about elitism? The lady wanted to know how you'd address elitism and all the replies had to do with finding a path. Too sensitive a subject for you 3 elites to deal with?

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Sunday, June 16, 2019 -- 2:05 PM

I think this is a good point

我认为你提出的这个观点很好,但过度使用“精英”作为一种广泛的嘲笑,甚至连共和党政客都采用了,这让你听起来像是在咆哮。侮辱对手是一个软弱的修辞策略,不仅疏远他,而且疏远任何对正在讨论的问题持开放态度的听众。这就是为什么特朗普不能超过他40%的基础选民,他必须依靠陈旧的选举人团、不公正划分选区、黑钱和俄罗斯的干预,如果他想赢得下一次选举。

Almost no one who is in an elite THINKS he or she is elite, and will simply feel insulted if you say so. I share your dissatisfaction with the discussion, but it shows how entrenched academia is in the myth or ideology of a meritocracy. Since all societies are hierarchical, the question of who deserves to be IN the upper realms of that hierarchy is a constant matter of discussion, and of widespread discontent among those who feel unfairly excluded. Most criminals think of themselves as unfairly treated, and fight back by breaking laws, while the 90% + of applicants who don't get into Stanford believe they are as well qualified and those admitted, and in many cases they are correct. But there must be SOME laws, and SOME criteria for college admission. Would you prefer wealth, good looks, athletic ability, family connections, or other arbitrary criteria to be substituted? The participants in today's discussion all rejected a lottery, although it's a tempting alternative, but one result might be that TOTALLY unqualified applicants would be encouraged to apply, in which case Stanford might be overrun by students utterly unable to benefit from the education Stanford has to offer. Such students are better served by community colleges and job training programs. Some community college students transfer to Stanford and do quite well.

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Fresno E

Thursday, June 20, 2019 -- 10:48 AM

Why do I have to go to

Why do I have to go to college to learn about myself? Why not advocate for a gap year or two, or military service or peace corps to find out what interests you have. How about spending a year laying bricks or digging ditches to see that you really don't want that life. Why are you advocating for $28,000/year (average) in debt in order to "find myself".

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robertcrosman@g...

Tuesday, August 13, 2019 -- 12:37 PM

I can't imagine myself

我无法想象自己没有接受过大学教育,也无法想象自己没有随后获得的英国文学研究生学位。我的一位伟大的教授会告诉他的人文调查课(当时是哥伦比亚大学大一新生的必修课——在六十年代,以及之前的几十年),他们上大学是为了创造自我,而不是约翰·佩里(John Perry)更熟悉的陈词滥调——他们是在寻找自我。我认为可能两者都是正确的,但它们指向相反的方向——向内心深处看,而不是向外部看。对这些明显矛盾的观点的真实性进行辩论可能是有用的,但他们确实同意,一个人上大学是为了发展“自我”,而不是为某些工作或职业做准备,如果学生能负担得起,这些工作或职业可以推迟到研究生或专业学校,或通过在职培训和经验更有用——在一个人发现或创造自己之后。

这就是为什么我对这个项目最强烈的反应是震惊于最近一位受人尊敬的斯坦福大学前校长是一位计算机科学家,他在大学里的专业是工程师。尽管他和蔼可亲,而且显然很聪明,但他的教育显然包括深入内心,找到对趋势技术的热爱,然后使自己在一个狭窄的领域成为专家,在这个领域工作的人十年后就会过时,然后要么成为经理,要么成为无法受雇的弃儿。后一种情况发生在我的两个表亲身上,一个(拥有计算机科学硕士学位)失业了,由他做社工的妻子养活,另一个经营过一段时间的酒铺,现在靠社会保障退休了。他们都感到沮丧和痛苦,如果我处在他们的位置上的话。

What appreciation can a man who "found himself" by sitting in a computer lab night after night in college, and then went on to study computing in more depth, and finally to teach it, have of the wide range of human knowledge and inquiry that is the object of study at a great, or even a run-of-the-mill university?

I can only infer that this ex-president of Stanford was really good at raising money, and had good people skills as well. His discussion today of how Stanford admits students reflected an eye totally uncritical of the current selection process, and also of the way college students are currently educated, with a strong emphasis on success, and finding a profession suited to their talents. These are no doubt goals that Stanford is very good at achieving, but their student cohort is such that most of them would do as well, or better, if they were to graduate from any other accredited college or university. The real value of a Stanford education to most graduates is the name "Stanford" on their resumes, as well as, perhaps, the network of connections they may have made while there.

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