Truth & Other Fictions

27 December 2015

我们把本周的节目命名为“真相和其他虚构”。Now that’s a provocative title, since truth is usuallyopposedto fiction. So why don’t we break it down and start with truth.

Some people think Aristotle basically had it right when he said, "To say of whatisthat itis, and of what isnotthat it isnot, is true". I take it he meant that, for example, if I say this apple is red, what I say is true if this apple actually has the property of being red. If I say this apple is not red, what I say is true if this apple does not have the property of being red. What more is there to say?

Well, that’s all about what’s said or spoken. But what about unspoken truths? For instance, did a dinosaur sleep on this spot 60 million years ago? That and a zillion others things like it would be true or falseeven ifno one were ever around to talk about it.

This is starting to sound like Truth with a capital ‘T’ -- truth as a thing rather than as a mere property of assertions. There’s everything that happens in the world, and then, hovering over all of that in some strange way, there is the Truth. But do we need Truth with a capital ‘T’? What’s wrong with Aristotle’s focus on truth as a property that beliefs and assertions can have?

我们可能不需要一个大写的“真理”,但我们肯定需要比世界上的苹果和颜色更多的东西。我们需要的不仅仅是个别的物体及其简单的属性。有自然法则,有关于道德、上帝和数字的真理。各种各样的东西。亚里士多德并没有告诉我们,这些真理为真意味着什么。

也许这不是什么大问题。这就是为什么现在的哲学家更多地谈论事实。如果我说某某,那么我说的就是真的,如果存在某某事实的话。我将修改定义。如果断言和信念与事实相符合,它们就是真的。但现在除了物体有属性之外,你还得到了整个世界的事实——不管这些事实是什么。这比亚里士多德最初的想法要复杂得多。

如果我们忘记了事实呢?我认为亚里士多德想表达的观点很简单:如果苹果是红色的,那么苹果就是红色的。It’s true that E=mc2if E=mc2. To say that something is true, is just to say that thing. That may not sound terribly informative, but that's why people call it thedeflationarytheory. Truth is just a compliment we pay to sentences we are prepared to assert.

Simple as that sounds, though, as a theory it doesn’t work. In fact, it leads to contradictions, something the Greeks worried about too. Let’s say I say, “My statement is not true”. Now, on the deflationist's formula, it’s true that my statement is not true if my statement is not true. But if my statement is NOT true, it can’t also be true! So we get the Liar’s Paradox. We could try to ignore that problem and just avoiding saying stupid things like “My statement is not true,” but then it seems we're justpretendingthat we have a good theory of truth. It's almost as though there’s really no such thing as truth -- it’s just a fiction we find useful at times.

Which brings us full circle to the title of the show -- Truth and Other Fictions. The big question, then, is whether there really is something called The Truth? Or is the idea of truth itself a fiction, something we just make up because it’s convenient?


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Wednesday, March 27, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

There is something called

有一种叫做真理的东西,常常被扭曲得面目全,因为它(正如戈尔曾经说过的)是不方便的。结果,真理的观念常常被人贬低、痛击,或者只是点头眨眼就被否定了。我非常确信,尽管存在其他动机、公关专家和乏味的专家,但有些事情是真实的。没有必要列出真实的事情:它们不言自明,不需要验证。打个比方,它们就在一位著名的美国最高法院大法官关于色情的评论范围内,大致的解释是:我不知道色情的定义,但我看到它就知道。没有比这更真实的话了。这就是事实。我期待着就这一话题发表评论。这些应该与最近的一些话题很好地吻合,并显示出现代智识主义的一个缩影。我们将看到。

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

“我的说法不真实。”

“我的说法不真实。”
这种语言结构的分类困扰了逻辑学家几千年。真若假,假若真,这样的构念往往被归类为无意义的。20世纪50年代,伯特兰·罗素的学生G·斯宾塞·布朗终于解决了这个问题;或。更确切地说,他指出这个问题早在几个世纪前就已经被数学家解决了。
Consider the equation, x(x) + 1 = 0
Then, x = -1/(x)
If x = +1, then +1 = -1
If x = -1, then -1 = +1
因此,如果x是负的,它是正的,如果是正的,它是负的,就像有问题的陈述是真的,如果是假的,如果是真的。此外,该陈述和数学方程是自参照的。它们的形式相同。
When mathematicians first encountered such equations they realized that their classification of numbers as positive, negative, or zero was inadequate. They added an additional class called "imaginary" numbers to overcome the problem. So, too, suggested G Spencer Brown, logicians needed an additional class, which he called "imaginary," in addition to true, false, and meaningless. (It is said that Bertrand Russell was delighted to have lived long enough to see the problem solved.)
A delightful topic. I, too, look forward to the comments.

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Friday, March 29, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

TRUTH

TRUTH
IS
Truth is life without uncertain difference.
真理是一切方程式的基础。
Truth is more simple than thought.
Truth is the light of a new dawn.
真理是平等、团结和自由的。
Truth is Grand Unification.
Truth is absolute certainty.
Truth is hidden by theory.
Truth is blinded by faith.
Truth is what we seek.
Truth is measureless.
Truth is the solution.
Truth is self-evident.
Truth is everything.
Truth is the cure.
Truth is infinite.
Truth is good.
真理是正确的。
真理是公正的。
Truth is One.
Truth is All.
Truth is
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Sunday, March 31, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Something called truth exists

Something called truth exists. Some things are true, others, false. That individuals, groups or movements will distort truth for their own gain is as old as homo sapiens' ability to manipulate the reality is has created. The circle is being completed by the fact of fiction(s) becoming truth(s). And so, while some truths are immutable, others are subject to change, under numerous conditions. This has been called situational ethics, or in politics: waffling or flip-flopping. There is truth, then, and there is fiction. How these are construed is the big question.

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Sunrise and sunset are

Sunrise and sunset are convenient fictions. Although everyone understands that it is the rotation of the Earth and not the movement of the Sun that is causing these phenomena, who watches a sunrise or sunset and does not imagine that it is the Sun that is moving? Might this serve as a model for the many fictions that we use?
Myths, rationalizations, and even occasional lies can make life more pleasant provided that they cause no harm. But, there are times when truth and reality must be allowed to intrude. For example, almost everyone has heard the caution to wait an hour after eating before going swimming. Unfortunately the caution has led to a popular belief (perpetuated by parents and even teachers) that swimming on an empty stomach is the safest policy. In fact, the caution was intended to encourage people to have at least a substantial snack and then to wait at least an hour to let the digestive process flood the bloodstream with the protective factors that prevent cramping before entering the water to swim.

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Harold G. Neuman

Tuesday, April 2, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Current Events:

Current Events:
Just returned from Borneo. I've been studying a tribe whose primitive knowledge is astounding. They know how to get the most benefit from available resources. For example, and not surprisingly, they are masters of botanical medicine and many of the naturopathic remedies we have been hearing about for the last half-century. They have developed ant-farming to a fine art---for reasons that will remain undisclosed. I have to admit one personal interest: they have a cure for hemorrhoids---that too, shall remain undisclosed.
You, gentle readers, may deduce, induce, or reduce the veracity of this story. My personal integrity does not mind scrutiny. This blog post is, after all, about truth---and other fictions...

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Fred Griswold

Wednesday, April 3, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Here's a way to approach the

Here's a way to approach the liar's (or Epimenedes) paradox that Arvoasitis brings up. It really says two things, that it's true and that it's not true. Since it's saying two things, maybe it would be better to divide it up into two statements:
The next sentence is true.
The previous sentence is false.
Then you get to decide the truth of each of these statements independently. You could decide 1) that the first statement is true and the second statement is false; or 2) that the first statement is false and the second statement is true. If you take either of these two alternatives, the paradox vanishes.

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Friday, April 5, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

The Sun does rise and move

The Sun does rise and move across the sky and set,
如果没有的话,游泳前吃什么也不重要了。
If you are still searching for truth, study Nature.
Thoreau wrote: How indispensable to a correct study of Nature is a perception of her true meaning. The fact will One day flower out into a truth. The season will mature and fructify what the understanding has cultivated. Mere accumulators of fact---collectors of materials for the master workmen---are like those plants growing in dark forests, which "put forth only leaves instead of blossoms."
The flower that grows
Nature's truth is immeasurable,
Her Unity, our Oneness, the single absolute.
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Friday, April 5, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Mr. Ahles, bless his meta

Mr. Ahles, bless his meta-physical soul, always brings us down to Earth and the simplicity of oneness. And, regardless of how we may espouse the expansion of complexity, we should pause and consider those things that make us happiest vs. those that do not. I wonder when it was that we first doubted truth and, moreover, why? There must have been at least one tipping point. I do not think it was Hiroshima. So, if there was some such epiphany, then---how long did it take for us to fashion the truth-as-fiction notion? Or, has it always been with us---ever since we became smart enough to lie? Tell me a story. I have heard many...

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Friday, April 5, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Truth (with a capital T) is

真理(大写T)是所有可能的真实陈述。它并不以柏拉图式的形式存在,但它仍然是真实的!例如,红色有一个特定的定义(来自维基百科),即波长在620-740纳米之间的光。另一个例子:如果“只有上帝是善的”和“我是善的”是真的,那么我是上帝也是真的。这可能是另一种说法,如果“上帝是爱”和“我爱我自己”,那么我是上帝自己。Self-apotheosis !我认为哲学讲座很中国伊朗亚洲杯比赛直播有趣。

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Sunday, April 7, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Unless I am missing the point

Unless I am missing the point in several of the blogs, I think that there is a great deal of faulty reasoning in the blogs on the current topic.
"This statement is false," seems to belong to a dimension other than true, false, or meaningless however one manipulates it.
"This statement is true," seems to me to be meaningless because simply saying that something is true does not make it so.
"This statement is meaningless," seems to me to be true.
尽管专业的逻辑学家可能不同意我的观点,但显然所有简单的自我指称语句的分析似乎都存在问题。
Not so obvious, is the problem with the verb "is" and other variations of "to be." As George Santayana remarked ( in Scepticism and Animal Faith), "Whenever I use the word "is," except in sheer tautology, I deeply misuse it; and when I discover my error, the world seems to fall asunder . . .."
P.S. I first raised the issue of the liar's (or Epimenides) paradox n the hope that it could be set aside without further adieu.

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Monday, April 8, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Great question Paul!

Great question Paul!
Where did fiction start and truth end?
谁把狗放出来的?
I think it all started with the uncertainty of a question that led to more uncertainty of thought. Some of those thoughts became uncertain answers, which led to sharing One's uncertain thoughts. Some of those shared uncertainties became stories passed on from people to people, generation to generation. And those same uncertain answers and stories became theories and others became faiths. Those theories and faiths led to the uncertainties of science and the uncertainties of religion. And those uncertain dogmas with all of its followers question today, what is certainty, what is the truth?
Today many and most are buried under a blanket of uncertainty, passed on from the uncertainties of old. To find the truth again one must simply remove what is not. Enlightenment is simply this Way!
Truth is more certain than a question,
And much more simple than thought.
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MJA

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Harold G. Neuman

Monday, April 8, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Good show, Jesse! Cogito,

Good show, Jesse! Cogito, ergo grok. If you are young enough not to have read R.A. Heinlein's STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND, please take the time to do so. It was, for me, a special story at a confusing time. And, IMHO, it remains timeless.

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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Thanks, Michael. There was

Thanks, Michael. There was more than one question, though. It does not matter. Allow me to say this: your poetry is sensitive, if redundant. Your prose, when you let it out, is intelligent and philosophically provocative. We both like the blog---here's hoping our ideas/notions/opinions are adding something to the discussion.

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Thursday, April 18, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Truth is somewhat relative.

Truth is somewhat relative. This evening, while watching Entertainment Tonight's coverage of the Boston terrorism, ABC News broke into the broadcast with REAL coverage of new developments in the ensuing manhunt. This crisis will end soon, if it has not already ended. For the record, it is not my understanding that Entertainment Tonight is a news program. Apparently, that program's creators believe that it is such. We have more than enough programming devoted to news coverage and we are subjected to plenty of it. ET ought to stick with what it does best: the sordid, maudlin, self-indulgent lives of entertainers. I wonder if anyone else thinks this way? Yes, truth is relative. Yet also necessary. Within the confines of context.

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Saturday, June 29, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Is truth really exists or not

真相真的存在吗?他们两人。
To me truth is the average point our individual perceptions of nature that isn't proofed false yet. We might be proud of Einstein's view of Relativity that enlightens to the outworldly sensation of knowing more the universe upon a human's view. The next day we might see a scientist who revives Newton's Mechanism.
It exists as it represents the Nature, while it doesn't as it has an expiration date.

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Harold G. Neuman

Sunday, December 27, 2015 -- 4:00 PM

I'll begin comment by listing

I'll begin comment by listing some things that I believe (at this moment) to be true. Some may take exception to one or more of the following sobriquets. That is, after all, the essence of philosophical thought and discussion. Not everyone sees what everyone else sees, neither individually nor collectively. We argue; disassemble; revise; collaborate and occasionally reach consensual plateaus which are, more or less, true with some alterations. And so, here we go:
1) Complexity is nuclear, feeding upon itself. It is reward and punishment; blessing and curse.
2) Simplicity supports serenity.
3) Every good friend becomes a bad influence when we come to believe all he (generic) says.
讨论S1:有人认为不断增加的复杂性是宇宙的方式。这个论点得到了物理和数学的支持,就我所能理解的那些有价值的学科而言。从这个意义上说,复杂性就是我们所说的真理的一个方面。在另一个不那么科学的层面上,复杂性被认为是人类日常事务的真实一面,因为我们让它如此。出于各种各样的原因,为了跟上我们想要跟上的人,我们已经使我们的日常生活模式变得越来越复杂。我们心甘情愿地做这些身体和情感上的体操,为了各种个人满足感和/或社会经济利益而保持外表,不需要物理或数学。因此,在这两种情况下,复杂性都是存在的真实状态。
S2:通过大量有记载的时间,通过几种形而上学和神学的方法来接近与万物合一的状态,简单一直被认为是获得开明思想和精神的关键。阻止世界;安静一个人的内心对话和其他这样的技巧被用来达到宁静和一个没有绝对的超然是无法达到的清晰存在。有趣的是,那些能够做到这一点的人能够做到不可能的壮举和/或能力。因此,在某种程度上的独立现实中,简单是一条通往理想的改变存在状态的真实路径。我只接近过一次这样的存在状态。这是一项艰苦的工作——而且,非常可怕。然而,在同一个世界的不同方面,简单并不能完成工作。一个人不可能驾驭简单到达月球。或火星。
Discussion of S3: Many of us have good friends who will tell us the truth about most anything if that truth-telling does not embarrass or inconvenience them. Of result in financial ruin. But, regardless of long-standing friendship, we must remain vigilant and skeptically pragmatic. If we fall ill and are diagnosed as terminal, our friends and family are squeamish about bearing the bad news. Our doctor(s) may be no better. The Sword of Damocles is a daunting presence that no one wishes to countenance head on.
Therefore, as we have previously witnessed in the comments above, truth is a deceptive notion, subject to revision and situationally slippery. I suppose that is why liars continue to thrive and truth sayers are considered naive.
To your health,
Neuman.

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Gary M Washburn

Monday, December 28, 2015 -- 4:00 PM

Truth is the intuition of an

真理是经验与理性之间直接关系的直觉。没有这种即时性。但是直觉来自于理性对经验和经验对理性的无端广泛的缩减。口语化的真理感来自于不愿意相信这种简化的戏剧。它很难说是不可言说的,但它的范围太广,根本无法解释,所以我们就用笨拙的捷径糊弄它,并期望在我们无权理解它的地方达成一致。我们也不相信我们每个人单独从事的全部程度的简化努力可能会在其他人中相匹配,因此我们鼓吹“真理”的无意义意义,而不是从事那种可能真正揭示我们是谁的无休止的对话,在理性中的经验和经验中的理性的无限禁止中,两者本身都不是完整的。宇宙中没有什么比思想更广阔。因为它就在那里,而且只有在那里,无限的还原严格打破了理性和经验之间的密封,通过它还原的理性改变了经验的每一个术语,还原的经验改变了理性的每一个术语,并且,在一起,是最广泛的时间术语,因为没有什么比这个变化更广泛了。事实改变了一切。但是,这种我们每个人都只能单独获得的直觉,不能在我们之间表达出来,除了作为一种截断的一致的期望,当事实上和在理性上,它是一种不同的简化术语,而不是同意或一致或“连贯”。 And so "truth" becomes dogma where unity consistency and uniformity is resorted to as a deferral of the rigor that is too extensive to share, or even to bring to conclusion. Philosophy is not about reaching conclusions, it is about discovering that most extensive rigor that we cannot share in such simple terms as the conventional sense of "truth".

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MJA

Tuesday, December 29, 2015 -- 4:00 PM

Beneath all knowledge is

Beneath all knowledge is innocence, Truth is found here. =

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sageorge

Wednesday, December 30, 2015 -- 4:00 PM

Is there really any

Is there really any difficulty here? Surely people can say or write or believe things that are wrong, mistaken, false. In a logical system like arithmetic and math, if I say and believe ?1 + 0 = 1,? then as the original essay states it implies that I believe ? ?1 + 0 = 1? is true?, and evidently I?m correct about that, based on the definitions of unity, zero, addition etc. But if I say and believe ?1 + 0 = 0? I am wrong; what I?m saying is demonstrably false, i.e. untrue, the negation of true. In the realm of beliefs and statements that are ?contingent? rather than logically necessary, i.e. beliefs about things that could have been otherwise, it?s the same thing: if I say I?m sitting here typing this out now, what I?m saying has a strong claim to being true, aside from hyperbolic Cartesian-style doubt. If I say I?m sending it from my home on Mars, it?s false. One could always say that any belief or statement put into words or math is subject to important unresolved questions about how words and math symbols can have meaning at all. Fair enough, but we in this forum are after all communicating with seeming success using words and symbols, so hopefully we can carry on while philosophers work on clarifying how meaning and reference work. Maybe the perceived difficulty is how we can be sure a given belief is true, but that is a separate issue from whether the meaning of ?true? and ?false? is problematic. ?Truth with a capital T? as something distinct from the lower-case version is another matter ? as far as I can see it adds nothing, so by all means let?s dispense with it!
- Steve George