The Psychology of Partisan Politics

02 March 2013

我们本周的话题是党派政治的心理。要了解美国人在政治上的分歧有多大,我们可以从上帝、枪支和性说起。一些美国人认为拥有枪支是不可谈判的,几乎是神圣的权利,并认为同性恋是邪恶的憎恶。还有一些美国人认为枪支是我们最大的社会弊病之一,他们认为性取向的差异并不比眼睛颜色的差异更重要。但是,当然,这些本质上是情绪化的问题,所以你可能会认为在这些领域存在深刻的分歧。但美国人在环境、经济和教育等问题上也存在严重分歧。我们都声称想要清洁的空气和水,好的学校和繁荣的经济。但我们在如何实现这些目标上根本没有达成一致。美国人在一些你可能认为不会引起什么分歧的事情上展开激烈的政治斗争。我们就像敌对的部落,拒绝和睦相处,不愿让旧伤愈合。 Health care is, I think, a perfect illustration. Every advanced industrialized democracy has had some form of universal health care for a very long time. But we have had to struggle to achieve even relatively modest healthcare reform in this country. And although nobody was really proposing a complete government takeover of either healthcare system or the health insurance system, you wouldn't have known that from the recent debates. Those who were opposed to universal care, acted as if were drifting into Stalinism.

Now it may sound like a pretty partisan assessment of the opposition. And I do have to admit that I personally found it pretty hard to stomach the Republican Party’s implacable opposition to universal care. And it was just about calling people who support universal healthcare “Stalinist.” That was out of bounds, but it missed what seemed to me to be the real issue -- which seemed to me a pretty straightforward one. As I saw it, the question is whether we should collectively guarantee everybody equal access to a basic level of health care, independently of ability to pay. And the obvious answer, it seems to me, is that yes, of course we should. It’s a simple matter of fairness and common decency, on my view.

当然,像我这样的左倾人士倾向于认为公平是指平等对待每个人,至少就基本权利和基本商品而言。公平作为平等的概念温暖了我们这些左倾的、自由主义的行善者的心。我们倾向于认为,保守派拒绝基于公平的论点,出于对公平和平等的某种基本厌恶。哦,他们可能会谈论公平。但对他们来说,公平就是我得到我的,你得到你的,然后我们俩去搞别人。

But I have to admit that it is not entirely fair to conservatives to think of them as mean-spirited and greedy people who care not a whit about fairness. They just think of fairness in differently than left-leaning people do. For folks on the right, fairness isn’t so much about equality as about desert. Things are fair, by the conservative measure, when everybody gets what they deserve – no more, no less. Fairness means that everybody pays their fair share, nobody freeloads, and hard-working, talented people get to reap the fruits of their talents and their labor.

Now I think it is important to grant that there are there are notions of fairness. And it seems to me that reasonable people can disagree over which notion of fairness to apply in which situations. Is this a situation calling for fairness understood as equality or a situation calling for fairness understood as desert? That strikes me as an interesting and deep question. It’s the kind of question about which one could have extended philosophical discussion and debate.

Though Plato dreamed of a more reasoned and, yes, more philosophical politics (and so, frankly, do I) --- I have to admit that in the real world political life has very little in common with what goes on in a philosophy seminar room. But maybe that's not surprising. There is, after all, a very big difference between philosophy and politics. In the philosophy seminar room, the only thing really at stake are ideas. No money is changing hands. No goods are being redistributed. The social fabric of everyday life isn’t being stretched and torn. In that context, people can afford the luxury of dispassionate debate and argument. But real life isn’t like that.

But what does that mean about our competing ideas – our competing philosophical ideas – about fairness. Is there any way we can calmly, rationally, and respectfully work out these competing idea? Are we even interested in trying? Or are both the liberal notion of fairness as equality and the conservative talk of fairness as desert, really just empty talk – something that each side trots out to paper over and disguise their real motives and interests when they are pushed to defend themselves? I mean if you really want to have it all, what better way to defend yourself than to appeal to fairness as desert. And if you really want to take something that belongs to somebody else and redistribute it, what better way to defend your self than by appeal to fairness as desert. It’s as if the interest comes first, and the justification in terms of fairness is thought of post hoc to disguise the real interest.

Unfortunately, I suspect that there is some deep truth to that disturbing outlook. I wouldn’t say that partisan politics is all based on pretense and false consciousness. But I do think that all sorts of hidden and subterranean motives drive us to do the things we do. And that’s why politics is so very unlike like reasoned philosophical arguments. So very, very little of it is completely above board and transparent. So very little of it deserves to be taken at face value. And that’s precisely why we need to into the dark reaches of the human psyche if we really want to understand how partisan politics really works.


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Guest

Sunday, March 10, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

I have had conversations with

我和朋友们讨论过这个问题。我稍等片刻再作进一步评论……,只是为了看看其他人可能提出什么。这邮件很及时。我认为。尤其是即将到来的教皇秘密会议,它有自己的党派政治观点。

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Tom

Monday, March 11, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

I wonder if we'll see changes

我想知道,既然我们有了新的“前两名”的联合初选,加州的党派之争是否会发生变化。我认为,华盛顿出现党派之争的一个重要原因是,在初选结束后投票就结束的“封闭”地区有代表,因为这个地区的政党占多数。他们不需要对整个选区负责,只需要对在党内初选中投票的选民负责。

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Harold G. Neuman

Monday, March 11, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Since human time began, there

Since human time began, there has been a dichotomy. There is US. And there are THEM. Over centuries and for myriad reasons, the US/THEM separation took many forms. Inasmuch as religion is probably older than politics, we might (if we were so inclined), blame it for political partisanship. Someone said on an earlier post that if there is a cause for everything, then what is the cause of the cause---which leads back
to the origin of the universe---but, this post is not about that. Not directly, anyway.
I accept that there is a certain psychology of partisan politics: it is the old US v.THEM mentality, played long and hard, over more than two centuries in U.S. time. As the country grew and outgrew original goals and ideologies, US v. THEM became an strongly economic divide: one political party represented those who held wealth; the other, those who did not.
And so it remains. And so remains another fact: Those who were once among the less-wealthy change their party affiliation when fortunes reverse. I need not name names because we all know the principal players.
它不是心理学,也不是哲学。只是经济学。我们是我们,他们是他们。是的。

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Fred Griswold

Tuesday, March 12, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

I agree with KT that liberals

I agree with KT that liberals are focused on equality. That seems to be the central theme in what they believe. They identify with the downtrodden. Where they get this underdog mindset from, I don't know. With radicals I think the common element is pacifism - they think money is the root of all evil, and that's why they don't trust the corporations. This doesn't explain why so many of them are just a little rough around the edges. I spent four years in Berkeley, you see plenty of it there.
Conservatives, I spend a lot of time trying to figure them out. Maybe it really is taxes that bother them so much. To them, taxes are just the poor stealing money from the rich. There's more than one kind of conservative. The Wall Street crowd, they work hard for the millions they get, and they don't want to have to give any of it up. That's straightforward enough, but it doesn't explain where their drive comes from. The religious conservatives base their ideas on the Ten Commandments. They don't care too much about cleverness or inventiveness, your moral standards are what they judge you on. The libertarians just want Washington to go away, a lot of them are Johnny Rebs. And parenthetically, when Martin Luther King said that people should be judged by the content of their character, that sounds more like KT's definition of conservatism than liberalism.
But I think that both the left and the right need to open up their eyes. Neither of them seems particularly scientific to me.

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tim

Tuesday, March 12, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Globalization has undermined

全球化破坏了个人身份的两个主要塑造者:工作和当地社区——我们大多数人的姓氏都可以追溯到这两个基本现实。它们也是文明的基本要素——文明的基础。当人们对当地社区有强烈的依恋,并通过日常劳动与邻居一起工作和服务时,他们彼此之间的关系就非常不同。我们在物质上参与彼此的生活,为彼此提供生活所需;我们有共同的关切和利益;我们有共同的财富;我们对彼此负责。我们没有人反对进步,也没有人反对保护。也就是说,我们都是成年人了。
But now, debased from the civilizing influence of meaningful productive labor and stable, strong local communities, we instead depend for our identities on communities of abstraction and ideology .
John Adams had grave doubts that a nation the size of the thirteen colonies could be civilized. He was right to worry.
我们需要恢复文明,让世界重新变得文明——让我们的政治和工作重新本地化,并以所有这些方式与我们的邻居进行有意义的接触,这些方式使贬低和打击堕落的意识形态和抽象的、荒谬的虔诚。然后我们就有理由期待在我们的公共讨论中有礼貌和实际意义。

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Guest

Tuesday, March 12, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Still waiting for some depth.

Still waiting for some depth. Someone addressing the philosophical angle with newer insight. There are some bright minds who comment here. Or, maybe there are no new insights to be offered? Is this why we find our political system torpid? I believe there are always alternatives. But there must be collective will to pursue them. Tall order. Sure.

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tim

Wednesday, March 13, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

The discussion touched on the

讨论触及了物质参与对公民话语的重要性,但还远远不够。全球化破坏了个人身份的两个主要塑造者:工作和当地社区——我们大多数人的姓氏都可以追溯到这两个基本现实。它们也是文明的基本要素——文明的基础。当人们对当地社区有着强烈而长久的感情,并通过日常劳动与邻居并肩工作,为邻居服务时,他们之间的关系就会非常不同。我们在物质上参与彼此的生活,为彼此提供生活所需;我们有共同的关切和利益;我们拥有并创造了共同的财富;我们对彼此负责。我们没有人反对进步,也没有人反对保护。也就是说,我们都是成年人了。
但是现在,在有意义的生产劳动和稳定、强大的地方社区的文明影响下——实际而有意义的共同性——我们转而依赖抽象和意识形态的社区来获得我们的身份。
John Adams had grave doubts that a nation the size of the thirteen colonies could be civilized. He was right to worry.
我们需要恢复文明,让世界重新变得文明——让我们的政治和工作重新本地化,并以所有这些方式与我们的邻居进行有意义的接触,这些方式使贬低和打击堕落的意识形态和抽象的、荒谬的虔诚。然后我们就有理由期待在我们的公共讨论中有礼貌和实际意义。

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Guest

Wednesday, March 13, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

谢谢,蒂姆。That's the sort

谢谢,蒂姆。这才是我所希望的诚实。亚当斯的担心确实是对的。扩张导致分化;专业化;失去了最初意义上的社区。这只是亚当斯时代的一个担忧。现在,它成为了现实。那些写过“文明无关紧要”的权威人士可能会被自己的话噎死。规模越大并不代表越好,除非其危险被认识到并得到改善。 Social media does not effect this sort of exchange. And the communism of Plato, Marx and Engels did not work either. So, what, then?
I'm thinking....try to do that once or twice a day.
If I find a answer, I'll be sure to share it.

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Guest

Thursday, March 14, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

The time has come.

The time has come.
Fairness is the inequitable grey area of uncertainty, and equal is the light of absolute.
Fairness is not the promised land, equality is. And Kings and politicians no matter what they promise or say cannot take us there because we are there; we only have to be equal or true ourselves. It is not up to them, it is simply up to us.
There is no light in divisiveness, no equity in the politics of the governors;
被统治或被统治是不平等的。
HELLO!
Equality is unity, is Oneness, is truth, is self evident, is FREEDOM.
The time has come for a new Declaration of Independence,
One based on what simply is, One built on the foundation of Truth.
It is time to be One,
Time to be Free,
Time to Just Be,
Free at last!
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tim

Thursday, March 14, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Dave, I don't think you can

Dave, I don't think you can lump together Plato and Marx. Doing so suggests you'd dismiss anyone who questions laissez-faire as the basic organizing principle of societies. One of the beauties of getting back to thinking about society on the local community level -- civitas -- is that we can once again imagine the great ideal of civilization: all for one and one for all. That "and" is all-important. Organized at a scale that allows meaningful participation in our political and economic decision-making and activity, we can reconcile the interests of individuals with the needs of the community as a whole. It transforms the meaning of self-interest (actually re-aligning it with Adam Smith's understanding).

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Thursday, March 14, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Tim:

Tim:
你的观点很有道理,但我用柏拉图、马克思和恩格斯的一句话来解释共产主义,说明了古代哲学家对集体而不是个人的强调,如何成为现代政治理论家创立的学派的基础。如果你不同意这个观点,没关系。直到最近,我才意识到这一点——甚至没有想过这一点。
Warmest Regards,
The Carpenter.

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Fred Griswold

Thursday, March 14, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

It's not as if you run this

这又不是你开的博客,戴夫。但我将试图解决为什么华盛顿现在如此两极化的问题。我认为这更多是在实践中而不是在哲学上。乔纳森·海特在节目中给出了一个很好的理由,金里奇修正了国会的规则,这样人们就可以在自己的选区度过更多的时间,周四离开,周二回来。另一个原因是筹款,他们花了太多时间在上面,现在他们没有时间社交。福克斯新闻(Foxnews)煽动所有人陷入减税狂潮是另一个原因。

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tim

Friday, March 15, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Dave --

Dave --
在人类历史中——就我们所知,在史前时期——现代西方强调个人,或者更准确地说,愿意把个人与社会分离开来,这是例外,而不是规律。

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Friday, March 15, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

To All Concerned and Any Who

To All Concerned and Any Who Are Not: It appears that my views and opinions are unhelpful here. OK. This has been an education for me, albeit disappointing. I never mentioned anything about Washington polarization, did I?
You are absolutely right, Fred. I do not run this blog. Carpenter, over and out.

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Guest

Saturday, March 16, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

A sociologist once said that

一位社会学家曾经说过,现代世界只有三种政府形式:法西斯主义。马克思主义,以及建立在犹太-基督教原则基础上的民主(批评者戏称为“美国主义”)。尽管它表面上很简单,但这种分类过于复杂。实际上,法西斯政府与在马克思主义旗帜下统治的政府几乎没有区别,希特勒主义和斯大林主义之间也几乎没有区别。从理论上讲,柏拉图的理想政府具有这两者的特征。当然,对于犹太教和基督教的原则是什么并没有共识。
Some people are reared into an allegiance to a certain political party just as to a religion and would support it regardless of the quality of its policies or leadership. I suppose the debate is about those who are willing to consider alternatives. Here again we meet the Freudian view of the psyche and the three questions that pertain to anything having a moral dimension: How does it affect me? How does it affect the greater public (both present and future)? How does it stand up against the timeless universal standards?

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mirugai

Saturday, March 16, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

POLITICALS

POLITICALS
Carpenter, I always find your comments both provocative and helpful. What I like most about the blog is that while there is much room for disagreement and disagreement is welcomed, the two unproductive arguments ?ridicule? and ?dismissal? seldom appear.
Liberalism says: We can have a better society. We know what the goals are, but we have to commit to new processes to try to reach the goals. If one process doesn?t work, try another, but keep the goals the same.
保守主义说:我们喜欢事物本来的样子。让吗?继续做让我们走到这一步的任何事情。
All people seek confirmation of what they think is right and good: it is part of the human instinct, and a central impulse for social organization. Both the group and the spiritual provide reference outside one?s consciousness ? and to ?another consciousness? ? to give this confirmation (and to provide an object for the gift we each feel, of our love).
社会和精神(以及政治)的自我定义总是依赖于区分?S基团来自其他基团。结果就是妖魔化。(外交政策,美国和旧约和其他方面,补充说?对非理性的毁灭和杀戮力量的恐惧?妖魔化)。
It is my contention that American ideas of democracy and the wording of our Constitution will not get us into the 21st Century successfully. Just look at the paralysis of our institutions when we need them most.

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Saturday, March 16, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Interesting program. I am a

Interesting program. I am a follower of the Transpersonal Philosopher Ken Wilber. Wilber would say that emotions and cognition are separate streams of consciousness, along with various others. Over time all streams of consciousness change, within the individual as we mature and in cultures. Cognitive capacity moves from discovering the wheel to the ability to perform science. Emotionally we move from identificaiton with self (narcissism), then to family, tribal, nation and then world consciousness. This has all sorts of implications for who is the enemy, levels of tolerance, moral development per Kohlberg. Rational thought from this perspective is not at one end of a continuum and emotion at the other. Instead they are different continuum all together. So a Nazi capable of using science will use science to advance the father land, expand eugenics, justify the death of millions etc.This was a particularly toxic form of National/race identification. Science used within a global emotional awareness will use science to better the environment and care for all people. I think the successful emotional appeals vis a vis the homosexual community are relying on a fundamental emotional responses the most of us resonant with at some level because they are very fundamental. Don't the philosophers say that "to know the good is to do the good" I would say that the understanding of the good is very different seem through the various stages of consciousness. And the nature of good can be understood through the heart or through the mind.
Audrey Irvine

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Harold G. Neuman

Sunday, March 17, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

Apparently we need to embrace

Apparently we need to embrace and effect change. But, if our political partisans can never agree upon how much and what kind of change is desirable, we have the continuing enigma of ages beyond measure. Ken Wilber is a scholar of some renown, and I too have read much of his work. He has a system: well-expressed and articulate. But in writing so much, he has often repeats himself. So, I moved on to other philosophical realms, ultimately discovering the bastions of evolutionary biology and natural history. As Pope Francis said on the evening of his selection: Good night,---and good luck. Looks like we shall need it.

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Fred Griswold

Monday, March 18, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

As a footnote to Tim's last

作为蒂姆上一篇文章的注脚,约瑟夫·坎贝尔说世界上有四种强调个人的神话,它们都在欧洲:希腊神话、罗马神话、凯尔特神话和日耳曼神话。前段时间有人在博客上说,自由是最重要的,并举例说,当他试图把他的猫关在笼子里时,它会有什么反应。我同意这很重要,但这不是唯一重要的事情。任何一个在喂食时间看到一群小猪的人都知道,自由不是它们感兴趣的。食物是他们想要的。

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Monday, July 6, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

The claim of decreasing

The claim of decreasing violence is wrong (undermining the thesis). Pinker manipulated data to fit his theory, and when you remove that manipulation his theory falls apart. See:
"John Gray: Steven Pinker is wrong about violence and war" athttp://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/mar/13/john-gray-steven-pinker-wro...
"Steve Pinker?s bogus statistics: A critique of The Better Angels of Our Nature" athttp://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/steve-pinkers-bogus-st...