这将是一个有趣的话题。A couple of comments:
我有兴趣听客人为你所谓的“剥削机构”职位辩护?反对我认为会来自第四个立场的特定批评。
我假设客人相信，就像博客中描述的那样，在双方同意的情况下，成年人之间的性行为并没有本质上的错误，即使这些行为是为了换取报酬。那么，在某种程度上，一个剥削制度的拥护者认为围绕着卖淫的罪恶是由美国社会的社会态度和制度造成的，那么，难道不是努力改变这些态度和制度而不是谴责制度本身的答案吗?
例如，在某种程度上，说话者认为卖淫的行为总是在经济上损害妓女，因为例如，皮条客拿走了妓女收入的很大一部分，那么让?美国将卖淫合法化，因此不需要皮条客的保护。或者，一旦合法化，我们可以规定皮条客为这种保护可能收取的费用数额，并在皮条客违反这一规定时，给妓女一个补救的行政途径。如果卖淫行为本身没有本质上的错误，那么不应该吗?你的演讲者不是在帮助教育公众这个事实吗?一旦卖淫被所有人视为另一种职业，那么它就不会被贴上社会污名(或者至少不会比其他任何职业更污名，比如我的——律师——或者你的(开玩笑))。
此外，我们似乎只谴责特定类型的狭义卖淫:以性行为换取金钱。就像一个老笑话说的:什么?为爱而性和为钱而性的区别是什么?为爱而性更昂贵。因为别人给他/她几百美元而发生性关系的女人(或男人)是妓女，但因为别人带他/她去喝酒、去昂贵的餐厅吃饭、然后去听音乐会而发生性关系的人不是妓女。年轻的，有魅力的男人或女人与年长的，没有吸引力的，但富有的人交往，或者年长的男人或女人?在其他孤独、年长、富有的退休人员身上，他们都被归为与妓女不同的类别，尽管唯一的区别似乎是交易的直接和诚实。
Any comments?

女人主要想要男人的钱!他们总是在寻找一个有钱人。当一个女人看一个男人的时候，她首先关心的是他有多少钱，他能给她买多少东西:房子、汽车等等。当一个年轻男人看一个女人的时候，他主要关心的是她的外表。当一个女人主要关心一个男人有多少钱时，她不就是妓女吗?当一个男人只关心女人的长相时，他不就是个白痴吗?难怪离婚的人那么多，离婚率那么高。经济问题确实会导致许多人离婚，因为许多关系是建立在金钱的基础上的。
The birds and bees are hopefully taught to a son by his parents. I view strip clubs and prostitutes as a place where men are educated in the sad truth of how relationships really work: the man gets money (goes out and hunts and captures animal) and gives it to the woman (cavewoman) who uses it. There is no love in prostitution. Prostitution is sex. Sex is not love. Sex is physical, and love is mental.
Actors and actresses have sex on film for money. Is this not prostitution? What is the difference between sex on film and prostitution? Is not prostitution legal in some parts of the United States like Nevada? Is not modeling a form of prostitution, where women trade their beauty of youth for money. Models, actresses, and prostitutes all have to take care of their bodies and look beautiful.
女人用自己的身体美让男人爱上自己，让男人给她们买首饰、礼物等东西，在正常的关系中让男人负债，这是卖淫吗?大多数女性用她们的身体美作为武器，而不是她们的思想。她们的思想在工作，相信她们得到任何东西的唯一途径是通过剥削男人，而男人只对一件事有好处——钱。她们不自己出去买东西，而是让男人帮她们买。这就是为什么我认为大多数女性都渴望金钱。
Another example would be when a woman meets a dumb man, and her entire goal will be to get this man to impregnate her. Once she is pregnant she will have continuous access to his money, through child support payments, until the child is 18 years old. This is a common goal of many women who are used to living off of the welfare system. Is this not prostitution-creating a baby so that the woman can have access to a man?s money? Then there are women who look for very rich men, have sex with them and then claim the rich man raped them. Then the rich guy has to go to court and is found not guilty. Is this not prostitution, luring a rich man into sex just so that you can get his money? Then there are women who are looking for the rich guy who will take care of them for the rest of their lives, and everyone knows that if he had no money or an average income she would not be with him.
The main thing a man needs to do is get money, and never get a woman pregnant and never marry a woman. The money will attract women, and the prevention of pregnancy and marriage will keep women from getting your money. Sex is always for money, even when it is not blatantly apparent. There should be a scientific test between the relationships of money to sex, or how much money influences relationships. These tests should be similar to how being fat influences whether you get a job or fall in love.

I find it interesting that it is generally recognized that most prostitutes service men. Is this because the male sex drive is significantly different than that of women? Is prostitution governed by understandable economic theories of supply and demand, and unlikely to effected by legislation or moral pressure. What would happen if women no longer needed money due to advances in the social order, etc...?

this discussion, both radio and blog, was shockingly devoid of even a remark upon the socio-political reality of poverty and its inordinate effects on the people we then find in the ranks of prostitution, not only women, but marginalized men and children, who are then further criminalized. failing to make linkages between the way society distributes wealth and power and the value and legal judgements doled out and to whom is so shortsighted as to be maddening. especially maddening become the comments about sexuality (or was it simply sex) being about one's specialness or self in such a way that it should not be shared with another, other than a particular one, or some such la-la. i happen to know folks whose sexuality is clearly of the "polyamorous" variety and they do not appear to be particularly dysfunctional or damaged or otherwise socially or soul-deformed. would either of you admit to having had only one lover ever in your life? why should a woman be constrained by a social more that criminalizes her for the same behaviour as others? sheesh, you guys. you can do a much better job than this. the quote of deBeauvoir won't wash. she never had to worry about whether she would pay her rent, get a meal or feed hungry kids. one has only to look at the disparities that persist in income, health and social status between the folks who currently are involved in prostitution to question the validity of a "moral" discussion of this sort.
bravo to mr. upjohn for his pithy comments.

听着节目的结尾，我想到了卖淫的好办法，相比于卖一种像思想一样的服务或像苹果一样的商品，是关于诚信的交易。Part of what makes prostitution worse than a typical non-sexual transaction is the lie involved in the (presumed) representation of the prostitution's enjoyment, and whatever patter is needed to convince the client that there is pleasure.
If John or Ken were to misrepresent themselves in selling their thoughts/talk/writing, though we wouldn't literally call it prostitution, we'd still see it negatively, more negatively than if they provided services without pretense, for pay or not. This also captures the distinction with the proverbial high-class hooker/escort who chooses whether or not to sleep with a particular client: we believe the highly-paid escort only has sex if she really wants to.
This isn't an airtight argument against prostitution, but I think a good way of understanding (justifying?) why even some sex-positive people consider it problematic, and would do so even if it were legalized.
Of course, many people have jobs which involve pretense which is not obvious to the client (with an actor, the pretense is obvious; with a used car salesman or Fox news anchor, it sometimes is not). But those jobs are problematic, too.

虽然在介绍中承认了同性卖淫的现实，但广播讨论(包括听众的评论)集中在涉及道德问题的异性恋现象——如果有的话——可能更容易被异性恋固有的权力问题所污染。我不知道如果只分析同性现象，是否有可能更明确地判定卖淫就是卖淫。

我认为卖淫者的经济状况对我们评价这一行为非常重要。我也同意，这一点本可以在讨论中得到更多强调。至少，如果有人在道德上反对卖淫，因为他们担心从事卖淫的女性的背景，他们必须考虑到，关闭卖淫可能会让贫穷的女性处于比不卖淫更糟糕的境地。当我们监管或关闭一个市场时，经常会出现这种情况。性市场和人体器官市场都是如此。但是，禁止市场交易这一事实并不是争论的结束:在某些情况下，尽管某些东西是“最佳选择”，但我们可能有理由取消它的赎回权。但接下来，我们需要解决潜在的情况，目前的情况可能更糟。
As examples of "best options" which may be reasonable to ban: think of bans on mercenaries, bans on vote-selling, bans on organ sales, bans on child labor. Sometimes allowing a best option in bad circusmatnces precludes society achieving a better set of options: a society with child labor drives down the price of adult labor which makes it difficult for the poor in that society to avoid putting their children to work. Sometimes, bans are best for us all.
It also makes a difference if a ban on a market produces a black market which is worse for the parties of the exchange. If we care about poor women driven to prostitution than we should care about a black market which leaves them more vulnerable to violence, abuse and exploitation.

I responded to some of these comments in "Sex, Prostitution and Well-lived Lives." I think I didn't quite realize that there were 2 prostitution threads.

我非常尊重那些在其他诚实工作都找不到的国家的妓女。虽然卖淫既肮脏又危险，但它确实能养活家庭。我说的是让它合法化，规范它，征税。

Has anybody read `She-Saviour`, by Mikhail Armalinsky?
He is a controversial Russian writer of erotic litrature.
This 44 page short essay about prostitute & prostitution is a brilliant & honest appraisal of the way society looks at prostitution & why! He finishs his essay with a lovely statement which I think is worth serious consideration:
`If prostitution is legalized as a necessary concession, as the lesser of two evils, it will remain a social problem. Prostitution will be, in that case, merely tolerated, which means that there will be moments when our leaders run out of patience & it will be once again criminalized. The legalization of prostitution `must` be based on the return of the divine, sacred character, so that prostitution will be considered the most honourable profession, the one closest to God, the holiest. In the distant future, people will realize, admit & openly cling to the miracle of orgasm & pleasure, embodied in the prostitute, & the essence of the world will change. The world will once again be pagan, but on a scientific-technical foundation that reachs for the stars.`
I know most of stopped the conversation re: prostitution, but I thought someone might be interested to view this subject from a males point of view,as well as a females, in a country where prostitution has stared to predominate, as with other east european countries, on the sex industry level.
Even though his work is `good-grief` level, I totally agree with the way he sees prostitutes & the way he sees `so-called-proper women.

假设你又丑又外向。那你就只能梦见性了。从理论上讲，卖淫确实提供了一个满足你梦想的机会。

THE JOHN'S TALE
My typical weekend begins promptly at 5pm on a Friday afternoon. Usually I and my mainly married colleagues will walk the couple of hundred yards to a bar near the train station which loosely describes itself as a ?British Pub?. This means the décor and furniture are in poor condition and the beer is warm. They used to have a Filipina working there who could actually speak English but she left.
Actually it?s not so bad and very convenient for a quick pint or two after work. As I drink I pull out my packet of continental menthol cigarettes and light up. I only smoke when I drink ? in fact I try and keep all my vices together in the hope that they will only count as one sin in total come the final reckoning. I am in many respects a bad man.
我花了一个小时和我的同事们在一起，他们慢慢地对我至少要保留一点体面的要求感到越来越沮丧。下午6点前，我赶着6点01分的火车去市中心，从一名受人尊敬的员工到一名嫖客的转变接近完成。
On the train I break out my hip flask and take quiet nips of vodka. I begin to relax after the exacting trials and tribulation of the so recently expired week of work. At the main train station it is a quick transfer to the bus and a 10 minute ride to the heart of the red-light zone.
My first stop is a Thai style bar and my usual hostess Nan brings me a glass of dry white Chardonnay as I light up another cigarette. ?Drink for me?? Nan asks and I nod almost imperceptibly.
Nan?s a cute looking girl and she doesn?t look her 30 years. She is slim and dresses in a revealing short skirt and skimpy top. She has a small son and no husband but I?ve never been able to tempt her to meet me outside the bar worse luck.
After two more drinks I tip Nan unnecessarily and walk to the main drag of the strip. I have a drink in a few more bars and chat to some girls I know. Almost everyone knows me around here. At work a woman once mentioned that she?d read in the paper that there were 2000 prostitutes in this city. ?2000?? I said. ?I must know all of them...?. Even she thought that was funny.
酒吧里的自由职业者大多是非洲人、巴西人或古巴人，也有一些俄罗斯人和其他东欧人。泰国人主要在色情俱乐部和按摩院，我很少去这些地方，因为对我的口味来说，这些地方太受控制了(也太贵了)。
In one of the bars suddenly Claudia wanders in and immediately makes a bee-line for me. ?Hey Paul do you wanna buy me a drink?? she coos. ?OK,? I reply and she slides in next to me at the bar and begins stroking my thigh.
Claudia is 28, good-looking, African, English speaking, no kids. She has a number of piercings and I?ve been with her several times before. ?Do you wanna come with me short time or I?ll stay with you tonight if you like??. She flutters her eyelids mockingly. ?OK, short time,? I say.
We walk to her small one-room apartment and do the business. It costs me around £100 for an hour. (This is an expensive city.) I emerge from the apartment block into the rain and make my way to my favourite bar. This bar has a band every night and a quiet Thai restaurant/bar attached which is good for chatting once you have selected your potential mate for the night.
I wander through the bar and say hello to several girls and a few other whoremongers I recognise. I am looking for Nina but in the end it is Nina who finds me. In French she exclaims ?Paul, where have you been? I?ve been looking everywhere for you.? I smile, escort her to the small, quiet bar and buy a bottle of dry white wine for the two of us.
我的o级法语不是很好，但对我们的目的来说已经足够好了。保罗，我今晚想和你在一起。明天我得回巴黎。好吗? ?我点头。我喜欢尼娜。她吗?她也是28岁，非洲人，说法语，笑容灿烂，性格温和。她在非洲有一个孩子，做了剖腹产手术。
她吗?她不是游戏中最可爱的女孩，但她?她的屁股很漂亮。她也很友好，很有趣，我很信任她，让她来我家。我也相信克劳迪娅但今晚是妮娜吗?年代的夜晚。我们吃点东西，然后打车回我的公寓。
In the morning I drink a bottle of white wine while Nina does a pretty good job of cleaning my apartment. After lunch we retire to the bedroom for an hour. Later we shower together, dry ourselves and get dressed. I give her £400 and then walk her to the train station to buy her a train ticket back to the city.
?A la prochaine fois!? she says as she kisses me. ?Yes see you next time, honey,? I reply. She gets aboard the train and waves at me until she?s out of sight. I like Nina, she?s sweet. They are all sweet ? well nearly all.
I spend the rest of Saturday afternoon drinking wine and doing chores until I fall asleep sozzled and content. I have bust my weekend budget of £500 so next weekend I?ll have to cut back a bit. Yeah next weekend??.
星期天是我的休息日。不泡妞，不抽烟，不喝酒。只是严重的宿醉，大量的瓶装水和充足的睡眠。幸运的是我吗?明天早上我的身体就差不多可以上班了。
You might think that this lifestyle is a bit risky. I would say that my lifestyle and that of the girls around me is riskier than most but nowhere near as risky as most people would probably imagine.
You might also think that it is impossible to love a prostitute but that?s not true either. I love (in my own way) all the women I associate with. They are different, daring, unusual, sexy and alluring. They are in addition a surprisingly kind bunch of people.
Prostitution isn?t well understood (or well regarded) in the UK. It?s generally thought of as a seedy, dirty world populated by drug addicts, pimps, pushers, traffickers, criminals and sad people (like me).
Now, no doubt all of these types of individuals exist in the sex industry here (& elsewhere) but this is largely due to the illegal nature of the trade and the lack, therefore, of any regulation except the prosecution of all and sundry (weather permitting).
I have a great deal of experience of prostitutes. I am 47 and over the last 15 years I have paid for sex with women in the UK, USA, Holland, Switzerland, the Philippines and Thailand.
I have had good (mostly) and bad experiences. I regard myself as a professional John. Being a professional John, however, doesn?t pay well. Sebastian Horsley says in his article ?The Brothel Creeper? (Why I?ve slept with 1000 women) that it cost him £100,000. I?ve spent a similar amount on only 500 women so he must either be cheap or a better negotiator.
Why do I go to prostitutes? Well, I don?t want a traditional girlfriend and I don?t want to do one night stands. Plus if I pay I get who I want (within reason) no strings attached.
Prostitution is not all sleaze, pimps and drugs. It is women?s business and it can be classy and expensive. The double-standard employed by government whereby it appears sex can be packaged and used to sell almost anything for a profit by anyone except women themselves for their own well-being.
整个社会应该停止伤害从事自然人类活动的妓女(和嫖客)，并敦促将卖淫合法化。
-Paul Pisces (Author of "Desperately Seeking Sex & Sobriety")

Feminists all have the idea that prostitution is wrong and bad. They see this because of the way society has made them believe that certain things are right and others are wrong. This is how they evaluate prostitution; by looking at its rightness and wrongness. Prostitution, however, is one of those things that is seen bad not only by the radical feminists. Conventional morality tells everyone it is wrong and prostitution is forseen as inappropriate behavior. The reason as to why prostitution is wrong has nothing to do with the fact that it degrades other women, and this is what feminists incline towards.
The true reason to why prostitution is wrong is because it leads to a degenerate behavior, and so, it should be illegal. There are two types of behaviors, generative and degenerative and the government should enforce the prohibition of the latter.
Prostitution has been something that has been prohibited in our society always and it shouldn?t be up to the new morality or new ethical theory to change all of this. Classical ethical theory tells us it is wrong and it would not logically hold to change this view today.
If society was to change the norms as they would please, then all systems of moral theory would be inconsistent and there would be chaos. The fact that society is what determines morality would be even more apparent and people would lose respect for any moral laws.
The fact that prostitution is morally wrong derives from moral sentiments that view certain behaviors as degenerative and others as generative. The parties involved in prostitution must consider what they are doing in terms of generative or degenerative behavior. If prostitution is causing a degeneration of values and attitudes, moral concern must be taken into consideration.
On one hand, if prostitution was a positive circumstance that leads to personal growth, other people ought to focus their attentions on other aspects of potentially degenerative behavior in society. For example, the consumption of alcoholic drinks at social gatherings seems fairly generative up to a certain point. However, if consumption becomes frequent and obsessive it then becomes alcoholism, which is a degenerative behavior that can totally change the person. Alcohol addiction changes a person?s behavior radically. That is why for some people the consumption of alcohol is a degenerative activity.
If prostitution is not regulated, degenerative behaviors can evolve. Prostitutes want rights and the freedom to practice their trade. But problems can arise from this. Making prostitution a professional and legal occupation will help keep prostitutes on a generative course of personal evolution. To the extent that prostitutes are willing to regulate themselves, as other professionals do, society might be inclined to a greater acceptance of sex workers. This potential relationship is later explored in a theory of social assimilation.

我认识的一个人光顾一名妓女的个人经历让我去看了关于这个问题的博客评论。似乎很多女人和男人对它的用途都有一个随意的想法。虽然我同意你的一些交易观点，但我的道德困境是，这是在利用别人，不管他们是否理解这一点，这都是不健康的。我知道女性在很多方面的进步都是“这是我的身体”，但我们说的不仅仅是身体，我们说的是人、心、思想和情感。有趣的是，社会总是告诉女性，她们的情感对她们的成功起反作用。力量来自于坚忍，我认为那是一种痛苦的等待。我认为设计女性的情感、养育和贴近心灵是一个社会非常重要的纤维。破坏这一点对“良好”社会的基础是一个灾难性的打击。我所说的良好社会是指一个可以作为模范的社会，一个给予公民成为最自由的存在的自由的社会。自由常常被定义为自我毁灭，这条界线尤其对女性来说变得太模糊了。 No matter how empowered a women feels by sexually exploiting herself, it still in the end is exploitation. But we have taken the things that take strength, commitment, determination and self will and made them weak, giving power to shallow instant pursuits that destroy the spirit of man and women alike. A man, no matter the reason, that patrons a prostitute is going to satisfy his self. Whether it is the itch, or basic loneliness there is no noble cause to why this transaction occurs. It happens in relationships as well, we look to our partner to satisfy our emptiness-es our with-outs, and that is not all bad, but it is when it is how we value them. How important they are is defined by how well they meet our needs.
So the issue for me is human to human, somebody who sells "their body" is usually operating from a depraved or mistaken place. Some where that tells them being accepted sexually by men is a powerful place, somewhere that tells them that sex can be deployed separate from their heart mind and self value. Sometimes it is just out of desperation and all in all someone who takes advantage of or patrons that could never pay for the actual cost of what they are taking from that person.

Hi there,
We have a show up today on MobLogic that focuses on this issue.
In the show, our host, Lindsay Campbell, l goes out onto the streets of LA to ask people why porn is legal but prostitution is not.
http://www.moblogic.tv/video/2008/04/03/why-is-porn-legal/
On the blog, we look at the politics of these two industries, and how that factors in to the legality of each.
http://www.moblogic.tv/blog/2008/04/03/look-dont-touch/
如果你有时间就过来看看。我们很想听听你的意见。
Thanks for your time,

This issue needs a lot more discussion, so thanks for starting the conversation so well. I write casual thoughts at my bloghttp://www.cuntlet.comand I for years tried to stay in touch with the real world via eroticmassage.blogs.com, where john's and working ladies sent me stories of their lives. I would love to participate in a value-based discussion about this. While other girls fill their in-between-customer time doing their nails, I think. Missy

很多嫖客都是酒鬼或瘾君子。“性工作者”也是如此。这是被忽视的部分。

http://www.rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/issues/SwedenTreatingProstitution.pdf

当一个濒临灭绝的物种(那就是我——在美国出生，在外国长大，从不吸烟，喝酒，或任何非法活动)..在他结婚5年之后，他的底层妻子带着他唯一的孩子(也是他唯一的近亲，在他的出生地美国)，找到了一片更绿的草地。现在这个工资很低的前夫(也是前爸爸，因为现在叫他名字了)，在支付了20%的孩子抚养费和10%的个人健康保险后(更不用说开车400英里(通过低速限制的小镇)去“探望”孩子(这些汽油钱本可以省下来供孩子上学)，在找工作和/或租公寓方面有了更多限制(现在是单身男人)..我每个月还剩下800美元(在为“孩子”午睡者支付30%的费用加上我自己的所得税后)来支付房租、食物和其他基本账单。注意这里=>为“低级生活”..我甚至请不起一个妓女，更不用说一个妻子了(她有一天也会以同样邪恶的方式展开翅膀(读腿)。所以所有的白痴(那些反对卖淫的)…除了卖淫合法化，还有什么“公平”和“平等”的选择(如果你问我…我建议在公开场合鞭打骗子....它会起作用并阻止许多潜在的骗子..而且你仍然不需要加入塔利班)。作为一个父亲，我不应该想着卖淫。什么父亲? ? Divorce Court made me a "VISITOR" for 9 hours every 14 days (with NO OVERNIGHT STAY). And with "CHILD ALIENATION" by her leg spreading mother..to call me by my name(instead of usual "DAD")..she would always consider me a "MONEY BANK"..not caring me as a father. And when the day would come for her to be free from her mother's custody...she would be taking off to distant college, and be off with her personal life. And HERE, "I" as an old "UNCARED & UNLOVED" father , still be praying God almighty to lift me up...since "SUICIDE" is another means not LEGALIZED by inhumane government. Government just want to torment NON- CUSTODIAL PARENTS (mostly fathers), by squeezing every penny out to give it to the DIVORCE FRIENDLY CHEATERS ..and to create a load of Judicial employments...ALL AT THE COST (& LIFE)OF "CURRENT" & "POTENTIAL" NON-CUSTODIAL PARENTS. For REAL (and TRUE) BEST INTERESTS OF THESE "BRAINWASHED" INNOCENT CHILD(REN), PLEASE SUPPORT & JOIN "FATHERS' RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS", nearby. GOD BLESS YOU ALL (except SINNERS and CHEATERS alike).AMEN.