Philosophy and history

10 January 2009

似乎语言(以及思想和意识,就此而言)进化的一个重要部分与共享信息有关。情报意味着用信息来指导行动。在我们所做的许多事情中,信息和行动之间的联系是与生俱来的;我们觉察到自己在坠落,我们保持平衡;我们看到一枚炮弹向我们飞来;我们鸭;我们感到饥饿,获得我们需要食物的信息,然后吃。

但是,人类已经发展出一种能力,能够积累关于特定事物和情况类型的信息,这种能力远远超出了我们在需要采取行动时通过感知获得的信息,并使我们的行动与这些积累的信息相适应。当我对肯恩做出反应时,不仅仅是我当时对他的看法,而是我对之前相遇的记忆。我看不出他的名字是“Ken”,也看不出他有个打棒球的儿子,但当我看到他时,我会用这些记忆中的信息来指导我的行为,并说,“Hi Ken。虚子的团队怎么样了?"

Language provides a way of pooling information, so that the perceptions of one person end up providing information for another. When I go on a trip to London, I take along a guidebook, and read reviews of the plays available at the West End. What I do in London will not be guided only by what I see and have seen, but what numerous others have experienced.

But an enormous amount of language has to do with providing information about things and people we will never encounter, that can't possibly be of value to us in guiding our interactions with those things and people. I mean fiction and history. In the case of fiction, the people don't even exist; I know a lot about Sherlock Holmes, but I'll never be in a situation to greet him by name, and ask how he really feels about Dr. Watson. In the case of history, the people, for the most part, are dead. I know a lot about Aristotle, but I'll never be in a position to ask him what Plato was really like. What's the point of all of these books about dead people, and unreal people, and all the time we spend reading about them and talking about them?

The best answer, it seems to me, is that exchanging information about people turned out to be too much fun to limit ourselves to people we might encounter. The people we are liable to interact with don't provide enough stories to sate our appetite for this activity. So we continue to talk about people after they are dead, and invent new people to talk about that don't exist.

This information in the end does prove useful. We each build up files about dead and fictional people, and a lot of the information we exchange is intended to keep those files similar enough to make the conversations work. It's not interactions with the dead and fictional people, but interactions with other people who are talking about them, that makes the information useful. I'll never talk to Aristotle, but I had to take exams about Aristotle, and need to occasionally say things in lecture about Aristotle, and these activities go better if my Aristotle-file pretty much agrees, in so far as it goes, with what the experts think about Aristotle.

还有比这更重要的吗?我们能从小说和历史中吸取教训吗?他们的本质是完全不同的吗?就历史而言,真相有多重要?如果我们都认同过去的一件事,从而从中得到相同的教训,那么我们是否理解正确真的重要吗?

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 -- 4:00 PM

This is really meant for this morning (Jan 11) abo

This is really meant for this morning (Jan 11) about history. In Western academy and media, I rarely, if never, hear about the post-colonial Non-Aligned Movement which met in Bandung, Indonesia attempting to avoid Cold War conflict paradigms. Instead, the U.S. "lost" China and Vietnam. The development needs of the majority of
the world's population, now including global climate change and trade, is finally occurring in the new paradigm and financial architectures to be raised in the
upcoming G20, which met in Beijing and Washington DC and is scheduled for April 2 in London.

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 -- 4:00 PM

As to "Who Lost China?", there was John Foster Dul

As to "Who Lost China?", there was John Foster Dulles who did not shake hands with Zhou Enlai, Henry Luce of Time-Life Magazines who controlled his image of China to the American public, and Madame Chiang Kai-shek, the English-speaking, beautiful and Christian Soong Mei-ling,
as contrasted with one of her two famous sisters,
Soong Chingling who married Sun Yat-sen and truly loved
China. The American people and government would have
forged a better relationship much sooner than 30 years of Cuba and Iran-like estrangement, if they had listened to
the compassionate instincts and political judgements of Pearl Buck, Edgar Snow and Theodore White.

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 -- 4:00 PM

What bothers me is that the "fact" part of "histor

What bothers me is that the "fact" part of "history" is, relatively speaking, so small.
例如,广岛/长崎原子弹爆炸:所有左右历史学家都同意的是,美国投下了两颗炸弹。我们为什么这么做,我们是否必须这么做,等等。都是可以解释的。
Iraq? Yes, all agree that we invaded but everything else is up for grabs, again with a right/left split: yes, we had to; no, we didn't. Bush lied to us; no, he believed the intel. etc. (We don't even know how many Iraqis have died since we invaded.)
在今年的初选期间,我开始相信我生活在另一个世界里。(我支持希拉里,而不是奥巴马。)我读、看、听这些演讲。然后我看博客、杂志和报纸。不仅是解释,而且往往事实似乎是不同的。(我最终确实找到了一群与我看法相同的博主,但这仍然回避了一个问题:到底是哪一群人准确地记录了这次活动。)
If, with all the resources available to us today (radio, tv, papers, magazines, blogs, the Wiki, Google, etc., etc.), the sphere of unquestionable facts (bombs were dropped, we invaded, Obama won) is so small relative to the presentation or interpretation of those facts, then "history" becomes as much an artificial construct as economics (where, it turns out, left/right economists still argue about what caused the Depression).
How can we learn from the past, let alone the present, when we can't even agree on what the past/present was or is?

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Sunday, January 11, 2009 -- 4:00 PM

I am hoping to purchase the whole collection of Ph

我希望购买2004-2008年2022世界杯小组赛分组哲学讲座播客的全部集合。中国伊朗亚洲杯比赛直播然而,我意识到这将花费我很长时间下载!您是否可以考虑收取额外的少量费用,以邮寄方式收集数据光盘?
Thanks! :)
- William.

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 -- 5:00 PM

On a past subject it turns out: ID proposes a pre

On a past subject it turns out: ID proposes a preternatural, anthropomorphic accounting for selected natural events, i.e. something akin to human ability to consciously analyze and manipulate the physical world.
Science jolly well chooses to reject that notion out of hand for at least the reason that anything and everything can be so "explained". Would sort of take the fun and challenge out of being a scientist. Besides, such explanations inherently come up with dead end conclusions such as geocentric astronomy instead of functional orbital mechanics -- and 'heaven' knows what in biology.
It's like plastic apples versus real oranges. Plastic apples have their contrived appeal for some, but are certainly of no other value compared to actual oranges. Here again as everywhere, 'ya takes 'yer choices.

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Saturday, January 23, 2010 -- 4:00 PM

How is moderate realism different from Kantian rea

温和现实主义与康德现实主义有何不同?

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Saturday, January 23, 2010 -- 4:00 PM

谁在这个网站上回答问题?

谁在这个网站上回答问题?

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Monday, January 25, 2010 -- 4:00 PM

Quibbles; "hardwired"? Does he mean, "comes with

Quibbles; "hardwired"? Does he mean, "comes with the DNA" or do we have a choice about this?
I would suggest, for starters, that information and action are separable mental functions in the sense that we can think of something to do without doing it, and we can do things without, consciously, thinking about them, though subconsciously we have a plan. What does Perry say about that?
在这方面,哲学上天真的“科学家”认为观察(经验主义)在某种程度上脱离了推理。但是,如果它们将一个对象标识为已经存在于内存中的类的成员,例如,“that is a....”,而此时它们说,“…chair”,这怎么可能呢?
They have reasoned by relating that sensed object to an existing substance in their mind, collected before and held as a set of accidents by which that object is distinguishable from "...", perhaps a "table."
因此,纯粹的经验主义是一种理性超脱的客观性的错觉。简而言之,寻找的目的在于控制我们在哪个类中识别感知对象。对象本身并没有跳出思维独立的现实而成为概念上的存在。
How about this, Mr. Perry?
他的更广泛的观点,即经验对我们所做的事情很重要,是有道理的,但“我们做对了重要吗?”意味着历史中从未存在过的一种最终版本或客观性。相反,存在的才是历史学家真正和最终的目的。历史学家从现在的事物中挑选出他认为代表过去事件的事物,然后编造出关于这些事件的观点。总之,没有所谓的“客观历史”。有一种“科学史”,它是对细节的内在确证,使过去事件的概率提高到较高的概率程度,但任何历史都不能取代不可见的、不存在的过去,仿佛“历史”就是过去本身。即使我们有时间机器,这是不可能的,因为过去已经不在那里,也无处可去,(安静,阿尔伯特!)我们在镜头里看到的仍然只是我们想看到的,这是我们看的直接目的。你这是在强调什么呢,佩里先生,还是另有所指?请建议。

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Monday, January 25, 2010 -- 4:00 PM

The comment by D. Douglas on how difficult it is t

The comment by D. Douglas on how difficult it is to get agreement about the past in histories about it is beside the point. It implies a kind of objectivity about the past that is neither possible nor useful.
相反,重要的是,历史学家观察和写作的目的在他的初步评论中是明确的,这样他的偏见就能被读者理解和仔细使用。
In short, there's nothing wrong with a bias. We all have them, but scientific history adequately identifies the historian's bias up front so that the reader knows all the way through from whence he cometh.
与之相反的是,把过去发生在某个时间和地点的每一件事都讲出来,这当然是荒谬的,也是没有用的。
All we have to do to be useful in the present is to sharply identify our biases, such as Evelyn Underhill does in her treatise on "Mysticism," -- told from four different biases -- and then strive mightily to be consistent throughout our reporting to it. Any criticism of a bylined news story or non-propaganda history is valid insofar as it points to inconsistency between the declared bias and its influence on the resulting exposition.
Enter quibbles here, please! LOL

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Monday, January 25, 2010 -- 4:00 PM

I quite agree with J. Fuller above as he emphasize

I quite agree with J. Fuller above as he emphasizes the silliness of thinking that mind can create matter, or his technical jargon to that effect. However, it is well to point out emphatically, too, that this propensity, to think things are a whatever we think they are, i.e. radical subjectivism, more or less, is an effect of the rather widespread illusions that we cannot know things, ala Kantianism, as they are in themselves.
我们不能这样做,但这变得复杂得多:开门见山地说,我们不需要;我们所需要做的就是能够区分每一个被观察事物的实质,包括所有依赖于思维的事物,例如想法,和另一个事物,我们自动地做到这一点,因为思维的运作方式总是与依赖于思维的事物的运作方式不同。不同之处在于,事物有无数个可观察的方面,而每一个反映该事物的想法一次只能反映一个方面。而这种根本的差异似乎正是当前哲学困惑的所在。
这就是说,根据观察到的和记忆到的各阶层之间的关系,我们知道事物之间的差别或偶然性的集合作为每一事物的实质。知道这一点就是知道事物的本质,只要它对当前的目的有任何价值。如果没有目的,连贯性就会消失;包括它,逻辑上的一致性胜出。
In short, we do "know things as they are in themselves" but only insofar as they differ from all others, which is our only useful value. We do not and we cannot know anything in all its infinite number of possible aspects.
There is no mystery here, only an ethnic bias against anything smacking of Scholasticism or even Westernism. And that is the critical problem in modern philosophy, in my academic experience, namely the confusion between mind and body (matter). However, it is not a problem in the moderate realist's attitude toward how things are.