Misogyny and Gender Inequality

23 February 2018

本周我们来讨论厌女症和性别不平等。在世界各地,男性享有相对于女性的权力和特权。一直都是这样,可能以后也会是这样。

但人们也可以有更多的希望,因为在一些国家,女性已经取得了很大的进步。一百年前,美国女性没有投票权。现在你会发现女性占据着社会等级的最顶端。有女性ceo,女性科学家,女性律师,女性参议员。

Then again, one might also think the #MeToo movement shows how far we still have to go. Women are still disproportionately the victims of sexual violence. They still earn less than men. They still do the lion’s share of work in the household. There's no doubt those things are bad for women. But the gender hierarchy is bad for men too.

This is no brief for the oppressed male. Masculinity can be toxic, not just for women, but also for men, who are more likely to die at war, more likely to end up in prison, get beat up—they die earlier. And they miss out on their children’s lives. Women are also better educated. They even tend to have more friends.

None of this is to deny that women are oppressed or that men are their oppressors. It's not hard understand the ways that women are treated as second class citizens. But in our gendered world, men are losers too.

当然,无论男性面临什么不利条件,与受压迫的女性相比都是苍白无力的。即使主人的房子是空的(有点孤独),他仍然拥有房子。即使是没有房子的男性仍然主导着拥有更少房子的女性。这是因为性别化的文化将他们置于一条将男子气概等同于压迫女性的道路上。

But what about free will? After all, men aren’t just victims of this system, they're agents in this system too. But that view may overestimate the amount of agency that individual men have in the patriarchy. Norms and social structure dictate so much of the gender injustice.

Take the norm that women do most of the child-rearing. That feeds into the fact that women earn less than men at work, which makes it more economical for them to do the child-rearing. It’s a vicious and self-reinforcing cycle.

So how do we break the cycle? Helpful social policies like early and affordable childcare and flexible work times are a start. But perhaps that's too optimistic, since one could think that putting more women in the workplace might result in more sexual assault, more harassment—more men hating women who encroach on their “territory.”

但如果厌女症与仇恨无关,而是与权力有关呢?如果世界上的哈维·温斯坦(Harvey weinstein)真的爱女人,但只是靠自己的权力获得快感呢?有了这样的爱,谁还需要恨呢?这些男人把女人当作物品来爱,而不是作为完整的人类主体——这不就是一回事吗?

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Gerald Fnord

Sunday, February 25, 2018 -- 11:22 AM

I see misogyny as stemming

I see misogyny as stemming from residual resentment against the power exercised by the mother, by resentment against women seen as potential sex-partners unwilling to be so, and simple and explicitly misogynist and masculinist ideologies. They play well together; in particular, simple bigotry makes it easy to see sexual unavailability as being motivated by malice or artifice, an avenue pre-widened by the desire not to see oneself as undesirable, itself bolstered by a strongly-held equation of desirability with personal worth. Similarly, simple bigotry makes a mother's rule over her son seem, as he ages, illegitimate, and more worthy of resentment than his father's. (An analogy: in the Jim Crow South, a three-year-old white boy was supposed to heed his black nurse-maid, but order her about at the age of ten or so, race by then trumping age as a determiner of legitimate authority.)

Misandry当然存在于类似或镜像相反的原因,但女性往往不太经常处于明确的优越地位,并往往被教育成这样一种信念,即女性的权力是为了好的理由而使用的……然而,对于许多人来说,没有什么是“男性化”的,以及权力的行使,(正如奥威尔和其他人注意到的)权力最容易表现为武断和自私的使用。

…and we need not have resort to conspiracy theory to see how this, like all unfair and arbitrary division, assists those with greater power in society. Many a man has salved the wounds of being under a boss' thumb by being a domestic tyrant, or a Proud White Man who at least has the n-gg-rs beneathhim; every moment James Damore spent considering and complaining about supposèd unfairly favourable treatment of women at Google was a moment not spent considering how men and women both at Google might be better-off with a union backing them….

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Harold G. Neuman

Sunday, February 25, 2018 -- 11:49 AM

Fnord seems to have covered

Fnord seems to have covered the bases. Maybe more than was needed...but, I'm not criticizing. If anyone is interested, I made some remarks on the other recent PT post on misogyny, so there is no sense in repeating them here---even though the context is slightly different.

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Friendly Heretic

Tuesday, February 27, 2018 -- 1:30 PM

If women are more oppressed

If women are more oppressed than men in "developed" countries like the United States, wouldn't we expect there to be more misandry than misogyny, based on the oppressed naturally feeling more anger?

If women are more oppressed than men in "developed" countries like the United States, wouldn't we expect more women than men to be undergoing sex change operations, in order to join the group perceived as being more advantaged?

If women are more oppressed than men in "developed" countries like the United States, wouldn't we expect statistics in things such as life expectancy, education levels, incarceration rates, household assets, consumer purchasing power, etc., to reflect this?

Is it possible that we're paying too much attention to the power wielded by a relatively small number of men in high-profile positions in countries like the U.S., and not enough attention to less visible ways in which the average woman in such societies has more power and advantages than the average man?

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Harold G. Neuman

Wednesday, February 28, 2018 -- 10:38 AM

深思熟虑的评估、跳频。

深思熟虑的评估、跳频。这可能比“我也是”阵营中的许多人可能愿意承认的更有道理。被蔑视的女人会暴怒;不受尊重的女性脸色铁青;被有权势的男人利用过的女人已经准备好去杀人了。希望听起来不要太自以为是,男性掌握权力的历史很长,充满了陷阱和坑洞(这有点像我所在的中西部社区,每年的这个时候)。女人就像地狱一样疯狂,很明显,她们不会再忍受下去了。这是一个重要的时刻,不仅在美国,而且在世界其他地方。在经历了几个社会变革和社会动荡的小时代后,我对“人类事件的进程”感到担忧。最令我惊讶的是:我目睹的社会动荡越多,对变革的抵制似乎就越多——即使变革被(或应该)以一种建设性的方式看待:对恶劣待遇和行为的抵制就越多; the more those tend to push back against the threat of their elimination. We seem determined to maintain a 'state-of-quo', tied to traditional conservatism-if there is such a thing. Someone's grass is always greener. Out feet should be screaming in pain from all the times we have shot holes in them. Maybe men are just too bone headed to get it. I do not know...

Some of us would like to think we are rational, caring and sensible. That is difficult to sustain when so many others don't give a flip.At least we still have metaphor.

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JNavas

Sunday, August 16, 2020 -- 12:01 PM

My take is that misogyny like

My take is that like racism, misogyny is a strategy to divide and subjugate (conquer), and that men suffer in their own way just as women suffer. This basic idea is illustrated well in the movie The Platform. When we fight for a bigger slice of the pie, we lose sight of the real problem. We're being pitted against one another instead of joining forces against the perpetrators.

The solution is simple. It's called quotas, and it's demonized by the privileged because it threatens their privilege. For example, requiring all corporate officers and boards of directors to be at least 40% women would go a long way toward gender equality in business.

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Tim Smith

Saturday, March 27, 2021 -- 10:32 AM

精彩的电影……I wouldn't

精彩的电影……如果不是你在这里发表评论,我不会看到它。谢谢!

My take == Your take. Thanks for posting this.