Forbidden Words

11 March 2015

This week our topic is Forbidden Words! Now when we say forbidden, we don’t meanlegallyforbidden. This is, after all, still the friggin’ United States of America. And last I looked, we still enjoy the First Amendment right to say whatever we darn well please. We’re talking aboutmorallyforbidden words – words that hurt, insult, and demean.

Of course, there is that old saying, “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me!” But that clearly seems wrong. Think of racial epithets, like the N-word. Or ethnic slurs, like the K-word. Or gender-based slurs like the B-word or C-word. That sort of language is incredibly hurtful.

But we have to be careful here, since not all uses of racial epithets are intended to hurt and demean. For example, some black people use the N-word not as a term of derogation, but almost as a term of endearment and/or racial solidarity. Plus there’s a feminist magazine called Bitch. I doubt the publishers of that magazine think of themselves as sexists. Those are what philosophers call anappropriated使用污言秽语。这个时候,一群原本是诽谤目标的人挪用了这个词,并以一种不含糊的方式使用它。盗用使用引发了一些非常有趣的问题。例如,一个黑人说唱歌手如果用黑鬼这个词来抱怨白人用黑鬼这个词,他能不显得虚伪吗?有什么能阻止白人用黑鬼这个词来表示钟爱吗?还是只有黑人能侥幸逃脱?

这些都是非常有趣的问题,我们会在节目中回答这些问题。但现在我想先把重点放在标准的、不恰当的脏话使用上。我的直觉告诉我,把一个女人叫做b字,或者把一个犹太人叫做k字,都是不对的。And by that I meanwrongin both the sense of morally objectionable andwrong在虚假的意义上。To call a Jewish person the K-word is to imply they're despicablebecauseof their religion. To call a black person the N-word is to imply they're despicablebecauseof their race. But that’s just false. No one is despicable just because of their race or their religion.

当然,并非所有虚假的东西在道德上都是令人反感的。例如,如果我说约翰·佩里是火星人,我说的是错误的,而不是道德上的异议。Wrongly calling a non-Martian a Martian is different from wrongly calling someone the N-word because when you use an ethnic slur, you’re notjust这意味着错误的东西。你也在帮助延续或呼应压迫的历史。You’re endorsing certain negative attitudes and stereotypes that have historically served to keep thetargetsof the slur in their place.That’sthe morally objectionable part. So when you refuse to use these words, you disavow the oppressive history that's wrapped up in them.

But we have to be careful here. I don’t mean to say that slurs are always instruments of oppression. Take the word, ‘honky.’ That’s a racial slur typically aimed at the historicallymorepowerful by the historicallylesspowerful. It’s a sort of defensive racial slur. Still, since the word ‘honky’ is used to denigrate white people just because they're white, you might think it’s just as bad as the N-word. I don’t think that’s quite right. Though both are slurs and both are illegitimate, there seems to me to be an important difference between them. And that’s something that we will explore in this episode.

I should also say that I don’t want to defend the view that slur words canneverbe either truly applied or morally appropriate. Some people are really and truly A-holes. And some people are really and truly F-ing, Nazi bastards. Such people deserve to be slurred.

I think this shows that we need to distinguish two different kinds of slurs – generalized slurs and particularized slurs. A generalized slur conveys a negative attitude toward an entire class of people – even when the speaker is explicitly referring to just one particular member of that class. Particularized slurs are, well, more particular. More individual. I call a particular Jewish person the K-word, I’m denigrating all Jews, in one fell swoop, and not just this particular Jew. But if I call Smith an a-hole, I’m expressing a negative attitude about Smith, but not necessarily about anybody else. Particularized slurs might sometimes be legitimate. But generalized slurs probably never are.

I hope I’ve said enough to convince you that the language of derogation is subtle and complicated thing and that there is a lot to discuss. I’m eager to have you join in the discussion.

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Wednesday, October 24, 2012 -- 5:00 PM

`Yes, the language of

`Yes, the language of derogation is 'a subtle and complicated thing'. Be-that-as-it-is, there are still N's, K's, C's and any number of SOBs, who behave badly, and thereby EARN derogation. Don't like what I just wrote? OK. Move to the Middle East, speak freely and see how long your life remains your own, if at all. Or write what is on your mind; get it published; make money and be prepared to hide. Salman Rushdie wrote a pretty good, post-modern fiction, back in about 1989. We found that Muslims (some of them?) have no since of humor. Nor much of a sense of anything else, outside of radicalism. My car needs a new muffler. That'll cost about $200-250. That's what I'M talking about. Hah, hah.

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Thursday, October 25, 2012 -- 5:00 PM

Well, let's see: there have

Well, let's see: there have always been slurs---at least as long as we, as socially conscious beings, have recognized them as such-maybe 200-250 years? As far as the distinction between particularization and generalization goes, I had never heard that articulated before reading this post. I, for example, consider the term politician a "generalized" slur, while many (if not all) politicians think of it as a term of endearment. They are proud of their ideology, and consider themselves true defenders of truth, justice and the American* way. But, in any case, a democratic society, such as the US of A, aims to have it both ways by saying there shall be freedom of speech. Then, over the years since 1776, inconvenient truth(s) and legislative mandates have intervened. Freedom of speech is a dangerous freedom. Truth (or opinionation) has grave (sometimes literally) consequences. So, it seems unrealistic to say we can have it both ways. Some anarchistic shit can always pull out a gun and kill you if you say the wrong thing to him or his whore. Enough slurs for you, particularly or generally? Or maybe its just me, hmmm?
(* item: truth and justice are not solely American concepts---just thought I should clear that up...)

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Friday, October 26, 2012 -- 5:00 PM

When One cleans up One's

When One cleans up One's language One cleans up One's life,
And One becomes simply better this Way.
For One as is All,
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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 -- 5:00 PM

There are all of these

There are all of these forbidden words. Forbidden ideas. And---with forbidden words and ideas, come illegal, amoral, actions. Murderers, hiding behind religious and/or philosophical ideologies. Tortures, perpetrated to compel renunciation of well-considered and long-held beliefs. We need not concentrate upon or lay blame to any singular source. All are guilty. Have been for decades---centuries...

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Saturday, November 3, 2012 -- 5:00 PM

Words can be hurtful and

Words can be hurtful and harmful -- they can destroy relationships and lives. Yet, such words reveal more about the speaker than about the subject. So, why, exactly should they become forbidden? Educated people know, do they not, that not everything spoken is true? Are words forbidden to protect others, to hide our ignorance, or repress our evil-nature? It seems our political correctness is quickly reaching the point of ultra-Puritanism.
Frank N. Earnest (may i assume a reference to the comic strip) has provided another category of forbidden words -- those that may be completely harmless, even beneficial, but are objectionable to some power- group.

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Charles Osborne

Monday, March 23, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

Hidden agendas

Hidden agendas
I wonder about three aspects of derogatory words, in addition to the issue of whether somebody deserves condemnation.
First, it is logically offensive to criticize a person by criticizing his group--unless the group truly deserves insults (like Nazis or thieves), and the person shares their shame or guilt. It would be wrong to call a politician a Nazi for things that are not Nazi-like--but appropriate for things that are.
其次,从逻辑上讲,为了避免伤害人们的感情而避免真实的批评是一种冒犯。如果一个政客做了纳粹的事情,我们应该指责他或她,即使这会伤害感情。这并不意味着我们应该总是监督人们的错误——只是说,如果我们认为有必要直言不讳,逻辑上并不禁止我们直言不讳。
This point is sometimes lost in law. Sexual harassment, for example, is one of the few laws that is defined by what the victim thinks (if a woman feels harassed by an action, she is). We would never determine assault and battery by what the victim thinks or feels--there must be overt visible action that everybody of sound judgment would call assault and battery.
所以我们必须禁止冒犯他人的词语,不管他们是否应该被冒犯?在大多数场合,我们知道什么话是冒犯大众的,但在公共场合,我们并不总是知道这一点。这就是为什么可能会张贴标语,禁止亵渎或粗俗,因为那里可能有很多人(例如,儿童是允许的)。这是一个礼貌问题——不是法律或道德问题——但因为在某些情况下它会影响到一个办公场所,所以它也是一个经济问题。我们不希望有人抢走我们的好客户。法律对此提供了一些支持。道德在这一点上的唯一支持是,道德要求我们尽我们最大的能力对他人表示尊重,而侮辱(如果不是应得的)并不能表示尊重。
And the third question is whether it is immoral to use derogatory language at all (when it is not justified). The hinge of reasoning here falls upon the word "justified." I am justified in calling somebody a murderer if he or she is one (though that does not entail that I must bring it up). Am I justified in calling someone who killed a deer a murderer? I would say no. Or someone who killed by accident? Again I would say no.
Consider the N-word, or the others listed above for Jews, or for Puerto Ricans, etc. I consider it morally relevant that there is never "justification" for these words, because they do not attribute anything morally interesting to the victims. They are meant only as an insult (though why they are insulting is cloaked deep in the history of the words). If the n-word, for instance, only meant "black-person!" why would that be an insult? If it meant, "low-down, no good black person," then it would be an understandable insult--but nobody wants to ban that language, because sometimes it is true.
Is it that the n-word is never sometimes true? As African Americans use the term, I think that sometimes it is true (as the word "murderer!" can sometimes be true). As white people traditionally used it (low class southern white people), it was a term that carried no crimes or immorality with it, yet was meant as an insult because it associated a belief in inherited inferiority with the group. So the insulting false-accusation (that makes it unfair and therefore not moral) is that it carries these hidden false assumptions.
(注意——我在融合前的孟菲斯长大,我们被教导不要使用n字,因为那是低级语言,这是足够的道德理由。)
p.s.
This conversation does not address the weird logical problem that referring to a word should never be confused with using the word. If I "use the n-word" on the witness stand to say what the accused really said, I am not in the logical sense "using the word" myself--I am merely referring to it. But we have got used to being confused about the logic of it, and came up with "the n-word" as a way of referring to it without using it. This assumes that people know what "n-" stands for (but logically we can never tell them).

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Sunday, July 26, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

That was interesting to read,

That was interesting to read, thx!

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deShoebox

Tuesday, April 5, 2016 -- 5:00 PM

My question is why we have

My question is why we have forbidden words in the first place. Yes, it's obvious that common civility and a desire for harmony tend to preclude the use of such things as the N-word, the K-word, the C-word, and so on. They are almost universally considered insults. But why is "fuck" forbidden, or "shit"? I can say "sexual intercourse" or "excrement" or any of a number of other synonyms, but why are these simple words - mostly of Saxon origin, I think - so widely thought of as unacceptable? My own theory, not based on much evidence, is that it is a class thing. Using these words indicates a lower class origin and they "must" therefore not be used.
也许,真正的问题是,为什么我们需要禁忌语。禁止它们的社会目的是什么,换句话说,谁来决定它们是什么,它们应该继续被禁止?我说"去他妈的这些自以为是的道德仲裁者"还是说这也是被禁止的?