Authority and Resistance

22 April 2019

This week we take up the topic of authority and resistance.We live in an age in which many of the old, top-down authority structures are collapsing before our very eyes.In large measure, the collapse of top-down authority is due to the “democratizing” effect of technology, especially, but not only, the internet.信息的民主化正在对我们的政治、媒体、医学甚至教育产生影响。

Does the collapse of top-down authority mean the rise of anarchy and chaos?Or can there be authority without hierarchy?Who needs top-down authority anyway? These are the sorts of questions we take up in this episode.

Now there are no doubt many who see these as exciting times.Less hierarchy, more choice, more freedom.他们可能会问,有什么不喜欢的。But I am not sure the collapse ofthe old authorities is an entirely good thing.It has meant an explosion in untrustworthy news sources and the implosion of trustworthy ones.It has led to the sprouting of demagogues of every stripe and the withering of candidates vetted and tested by thriving political parties.I don’t want to sound overly nostalgic, but whatever else you can say about those old structures, they actually served the people, at least to a degree.

Some will no doubt reply that the old authorities served only themselves and their elitist cronies. That is precisely why people resisted them.That’s why they are tumbling down even as we speak. And where some see mere chaos spreading in the wake of the collapse,人们也可能看到更多的民主——更多的声音有发言权。

But there is such a thing as too many voices!Especially when we have no good way to decide which ones to heed and which to ignore.That’s not democracy. That’s cacophony!

To be sure, those who applaud the collapse of旧的等级权威结构会欣然承认民主有时会有点吵闹。但对他们来说,民主的噪音是好事出现的声音。When all ideas get a hearing, that’s when truth happens.When each of us is free to voice our dreams and fears, that’s when justice happens.Or so they believe.

It’s a pretty picture, I admit.But I some noise is just noise and not music at all, especially when it’s produced by people who flood the social world with discredited ideas, distorting propaganda, or dangerous drugs.And that is precisely what the old authorities promised to protect us from!至少在理论上是这样。

But one does have to asked who was actually silenced in practice.这不是兜售虚假或误导性信息的万金油推销员。It was the marginalized masses.They were told to shut up and do as they were told. They were silenced by thebureaucratic-education complex—the military-industrial complex—corporate-medical-pharmacological-insurance复杂。A true gaggle of hegemonic complexes, each with its own hidden agendas.Perhaps that isprecisely why people were right to resist them.

我不能否认这些想法的力量。They are surely getting at part of the truth about the old authorities.But I’m not entirelyconvinced that our current chaos represents an improvement.Itjust not true that all voices deserve an equal hearing.On the other hand,I admit that no one isautomatically有权凌驾于任何人之上。Authority has to beearned, if it’s to be legitimate.Those ossified authority structures that you’re so nostalgic for, they didn’tearntheir authority.Theyusurpedit.

But precisely that raises the million-dollar question. How can authority be legitimately earned, rather than merely usurped, especially when we face such a plethora of competing voices? Please listen in, comment on our blog,or send as email and help us figure out the answer.

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Harold G. Neuman

Monday, April 22, 2019 -- 3:43 PM

The current state of

The current state of democracy is what we have made it...on the order of Dewey's remarks about belief (see: his book on How We Think, the section on Beliefs and Existences). I have referred to him before, so further comment is unnecessary. Right now, there is no viable political solution, as far as I can see. Hasn't been one since about 1962, and after the 1968 showdown in Chicago, it was 'turtles, all the way down...' I am glad most of this is past-tense for me... reading Kenneth Burke right now---his Attitudes on History. Amazing insight for a man born in 1897. And lacking formal education credentials. Well, we just never know...

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MJA

Wednesday, April 24, 2019 -- 10:04 PM

Ken Kesey's 'One Flew over

肯·凯西(Ken Kesey)的《飞越疯人院》(One Flew over the cookoo’s Nest)讲述了一个充满疯子的地方和一个名叫克拉切特护士的家庭教师的故事,她的工作是在没有秩序的地方整理秩序。最后,她的政府只会使事情变得更糟,至于她的善意,也许像所有的政府一样,也许,她被认为是所有政府中最热情的,最需要管理的。

Our Democracy needs management!

I think the best One can do is to learn to control One's own self. Once we elect others to rule or govern over us, we lose our own strength of self-control. An example: the climate is changing in a negative way caused by ourselves mankind. Because we have given away our self-control to others we now ask what our government is going to do to fix this, rather than ask what I will do to fix our dying planet. That is just one example.

“如果你想唤醒全人类,那就唤醒你自己。如果你想消除世界上的痛苦,那就消除自己所有的黑暗和消极。事实上,你能给予的最好的礼物就是你自己的转变。”LAO TZU

The cure for governments of all kinds around the world, including our own Democracy is self-control. Nothing more, nothing less. =

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Harold G. Neuman

Thursday, April 25, 2019 -- 4:04 PM

Still reading the Burke book

Still reading the Burke book...perhaps de-mocratizing is a better description of what we have now, as your first paragraph suggests. Turtles all the way downward. In any case, Burke's book dissects history better than many more modern efforts I have read--- public intellectuals have done much to analyze things past, and somehow, project things future---prognostication is always risky, at best.Your question about collapse of top-down authority seems rhetorical to me because anarchy ensues when authority collapses: people just don't know how to behave. Going back a step, authority without hierarchy was a primal sort of contrivance---the hierarchy thing came with POPULATION,which is likely why some of the Enlightenment guys said democracy was better suited for small countries with small populations---if it gets too big,it is time to fall back and punt---or, 'go Walden' which is functionally impossible. For us to bemoan democratization of information is moot. Someone should have thought of that thirty years ago---and even if they had done so, what would that have attained? Freedom of speech is unassailable. So far.

As a practical matter, anarchy and chaos are concomitant with freedom. Be careful what you wish for...

I have not tried to answer all your questions---just those I feel most confident in addressing. I recommend Burke's book, Attitudes Toward History. You may already know of it. Didactic equates with propaganda and rhetoric, according to Burke. And, then some...
Harry.

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Tim Smith

Friday, May 10, 2019 -- 9:05 AM

I have not yet listened to

I have not yet listened to this show. Let me offer a testament to its power and your erudition above by offering a take pre and post my listen.

Here are my PREcepts in regards to authority and resistance.

上周我走进一家书店,看到了一个相亲展。如果你不知道这是什么…让我来告诉你。

A book blind date is a wrapped book with a price and the first sentence of the book written on the outside of the wrapping.

如果你从未见过这些,让我来告诉你一些关于我自己的事情……我阅读并评估了每一份,嗅了嗅包装上的木质素和酸腐蚀痕迹。

Writing the first sentence is a dark and stormy attempt to characterize ones authority to the reader. As a rule that authority can be contrafactual, apposite or gratuitous. The authority of these sentences lies in their truth. The very best books I have ever read portend in one truth in establishing their authority only to take harbor in another later. Truth is the bare standard by which I judge art and authority. My counter-narrative to false authors is my own definition of resistance and its baby is my attention span.

There you go. That is my take going in. Authority is a story. Resistance is when you don't believe the story. I'm not sure about the necessity of hierarchy or chaos (though I put it out there - chaos is not the opposite of authority... that would be a falsehood - (look...I double entendred?)) This is similar to Good and apathy where evil finds it's apposite in doing nothing.

Life is all the stuff in between authority and resistance... now let me find the time to listen up and hopefully learn something.

Edit for typo - 5/10

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Tim Smith

2019年5月10日,周五——上午9:06

OK... I finally got around to

OK... I finally got around to listening to this show. Here is what I learned.

I think it's a pretty bad idea to comment on things without listening to the show first. :-|

Concepts often make sense to me in my mind. But when I listen to others and think about what is said I am changed. Often this happens without my even being aware of it. This before and after experiment, however, is forcing me to think a bit more.

这里的博客文章通常都是为了展示自己。不总是这样,但这次是的。肯问如何才能合法地获得权威?

If I am reading it right (and often I wonder myself what I was thinking when I read what I wrote - this is no exception) my response before/above is saying authority is a story earned by its inherent truth value.

I find James' vertical and horizontal metaphor interesting. I don't think I was thinking about authority in that light. In fact, am I just too privileged and well off to have missed the point altogether? Maybe. Vertical authority is a given whether it comes from Hammurabi or Facebook. These vertical authorities either protect the common good or inform us of the common thought and paradigm. I think I might be confused about the internet as well, which I see as subversively vertical.

I honestly can't think of a horizontal authority that hasn't ended poorly ... aka Orwell's Animal Farm. In a true horizontal authority who takes care of those who can not take care of themselves. Current failures in that regard from vertical authorities are not valid reasons to radically start over. There is too much to be lost.

I don't get putting science in a box on this one either (which I think James suggested due to needed expertise and deferment to expert knowledge and theory (in the scientific sense of the word.)) Science might be one case where horizontal authority is enforced by my PREconceived notion of authority as truth.

消防部门、应急响应、免费教育、汽车共享和社会化医疗等横向模式打破者都需要纵向执行和成本分担。

I don't know. I think I might not really understand the idea of James' horizontal authority. It sounds like an Ancient Greek Boule where no one is thinking about the slaves or women who made it possible. Who will clean the streets in such a system? Someone has to pay for that.

我不知道为什么我觉得一块钱值一块钱。如果每个人都同意某个权威,短期内肯定会奏效。一旦你同意……它不会变成垂直的吗?

Even the hunter-gatherers deferred to the storytellers around the evening fires. Before that, there were no stories and the only authority was nature. I used to think nature was the ultimate authority. Now I'm not so sure. We seem to be resisting if not killing nature without too much difficulty.

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Harold G. Neuman

Sunday, April 28, 2019 -- 12:35 PM

I have coined a little,

I have coined a little, playful soliloquy on the notion of authority. It fits into the military structure in its chosen language, but can also be transmogrified into other top-down organizational formats:

“私人利益”和“体罚”在导致普遍混乱的问责链条中向上报告。但在那之前,"重大灾难"已经留下了不可磨灭的印记而我们的朋友,将军别无选择。表面上看,所有人都在做自己的工作,但二等兵和下士从一开始就无关紧要……

Cordially,
Neuman

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Harold G. Neuman

Thursday, September 16, 2021 -- 7:05 AM

It seems fair to say that

It seems fair to say that where there is authority, there is resistence.. It is almost a yin/yang thing of co-equal opposition. Deep politics aside, if we examine the structures of everyday life, we see clearly the push and pull that goes on. Those of us who work(ed) for some higher authority know(ew) the drill and act(ed), more or less, accordingly. If we behave[ed] correctly, in line with institutional rules and structure, there was opportunity for better pay and, of course, more responsibility. The difficulty presented many of us was correctly aligning responsibility with any additional authority gained. This pitfall, or better, avoiding it, depends on an accurate reading of shallow politics. Some of us fail(ed) the assessment, and therefore, the chance for advancement. In government bureaucracies, deep and shallow politics are inextricably linked. The rope is tightly strung. For some, a rise to the level of their own incompetence demands success in melding together deep and shallow politics. Skill in that endeavor does not require much in the way of superior cognitive skills. It is more like a street fight, requiring toughness; resiliency; and ruthlessness. We don't all manage the combination.

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