Unconditional Love

07 May 2015

This week, we discuss love. Now we’ve talked about love a number of times before on the show. We ‘ve done shows on the varieties of love, on the nature of romantic love, a show called “Love, Poetry and Philosophy” in which we compared philosophical approaches to love with poetic approaches to love. All were great shows. So why do we feel the need to do yet another show about love? Well, partly because we’re such love obsessed people, but mainly because it’s a philosophically inexhaustible topic. Our focus this time will be less on romantic love, than on unconditional love, in all its manifestations – whether between romantic partners, between parents and their children, or between humanitarians and all humankind.

I should start out by admitting that unconditional love is rare and difficult thing. Parents may profess to love their children unconditionally. But how often do children test the limits of parental love? Couples in the first blush of new love may make dewy-eyed promises to love each other for better or for worse. But how often do such promises give way to betrayal and recrimination? Still, it’s an amazing gift when it does happen. And it’s one that we all want. We all want someone who will love us forever, through thick and thin, no matter what we do or become.

我觉得无条件的爱是爱的最高形式。大多数宗教似乎都相信这一点。这就是为什么他们把对全人类无条件的爱归于上帝。这就是为什么基督命令基督徒像爱自己一样爱你的邻居。但是,当然,无条件的爱对上帝来说是容易的——因为他有无限的耐心和无限的宽恕能力。你不能伤害上帝——不是真的。但人类是脆弱的。在我们身上,太多的伤害、背叛或失望,甚至会毁掉最深沉、最持久的爱。

Of course, it’s one thing to focus on the work it takes for us togiveorsustainunconditional love. That’s hard, I admit. But think about what it’s like to be therecipientof such love. That seems, at first blush, to be a really good thing to the recipient of. Who wouldn’t want to be loved unconditionally, despite all your flaws and failings?

On the other hand, part of me thinks that maybe unconditional love isn’t all its cracked up to be. Don’t people want to be loved and appreciated for who and what they are? When somebody loves me unconditionally, doesn’t that mean they don’t care who I am or what I do and they are blind to my particularity? But isn’t love about delighting in the particularity of the other?

But maybe that’s being too quick to dismiss. I mean just because you love somebody unconditionally, doesn’t mean you don’t care about what they are or what they do. Presumably, if you love them, youwantthem to be their best self. You might even hope and believe that your love will help them become that. The “unconditional” part of unconditional love just means that you won’t withdraw love when things go badly.

Still it seems to me that bad behavior on the part of the beloved has to have consequences or else the lover becomes a mere patsy. Think of battered women who won’t give up on their abusive partners. That is not a model of “unconditional” love, that’s a model of person with a damaged sense of self-worth who is, perhaps, in a state denial, Even when it is unconditional, genuine love doesn’t just involve passive acceptance and blind forgiveness. Unconditional love can be tough and demanding. When our children do bad things, we punish them. We give them stern messages. But we still love them. In fact, we punish thembecause我们爱他们。Unconditional love may beselfless,但这不是自我毁灭。

What does selfless mean though? Selfless love is love that never asks what’s in it for me/ Rather, it is always asking what’s in it for the beloved. What do I need to do to make the life of the beloved better, no matter the cost to myself? Paradoxically, perhaps, when you love somebody unconditionally, it actually puts you in a unique position to hold them to high standards. That’s because when you love them unconditionally, there is no threat involved in your holding them to such standards – since the very holding is itself rooted in an act of love. You can think of unconditional love as an offer to the beloved for a precious resource that is used for the good and betterment of the beloved.

Are most human beings really capable of the kind of this kind of relentlessly other-directed selflessness? For most of us, doesn't the self just get in the way? Even when we think we’re acting out of selfless devotion, we often have hidden selfish motives. We sometimes tell ourselves that romantic love is selfless. But romantic love wants to bereciprocated. That makes it’s almost the opposite of selfless.

Still, I wouldn’t be too quick to underestimate people. Some people really seem to have an amazing capacity for selfless love. It is also important to stress, though, that unconditional love is a gift, not an entitlement. Nobody reallydeservesour unconditional love. Nobody has the right todemandthat you love them selflessly. That would be, well, pretty selfish of them, wouldn't it? Christ commands us to love our neighbors as ourselves not out of a sense of duty and obligation, but out of a sense of selfless generosity and charity.

Is this anything more than a nice sounding ideal, that fails to apply to most people, most of the time? I sure hope so. I would much rather live in a world in which unconditional love is a concrete reality in many people’s lives than in a world in which it is absent. When I think about where to locate concrete examples of unconditional love, I think about parents and their children. If we’re going to find real live examples of unconditional love anywhere, parents are a good place to start looking. Children can put their parents through an awful lot. But I’d like to think that through it all parental love typically remains entirely undiminished. Some philosophers have actually argued that parental love is the pureest form of love. That's because in its healthiest form, parent love is selfless in the sense I articulated above. And though parents may love in the hope that their love will one day be reciprocated, such love begins without even the expectation of the possibility of reciprocation and it will happily persist undiminished even in the absence of eventual reciprocation.


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Guest

Saturday, September 14, 2013 -- 5:00 PM

博士是对的。And,

博士是对的。作为一名父母和祖父母,我可以诚实地说,虽然我们能够原谅不完美的人和仍然爱,但这不是无条件的。布雷特杰也是对的,爱一定有一个定义…问题是,每个人对它的定义都不一样。为什么?因为每个人都有不同的需求和不同的视角。在任何定义中,需求本身都定义了一个条件。当需求不存在时,条件就不满足。此外,谢谢你的帖子,医生,我已经说了很多次关于宠物。移除食物,水和庇护所,你会发现动物回到它的自然捕食状态;因此,“爱”和“忠”消失了——条件没有得到满足。 The same applies to mankind. Remove trust, loyalty, honesty, respect, charity or any other of these from the equation or definition and love dies - the conditions are not met.

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mirugai

Saturday, May 9, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

DOG LOVE

DOG LOVE
每天清晨,在我租的一个富裕社区里,妈妈们都会带着拴着的狗慢跑过来。人们经常能听到他们亲切地对狗说话。下午晚些时候,这些妈妈下班后慢跑经过,带着同样快乐的狗狗,妈妈用甜美的声音交谈,当然没有得到回应。妈妈(通常)会帮她的朋友捡狗屎。
Late every morning, mom?s children are pushed in strollers on the same street, by happy Latinas, chattering away in Spanish. Mom could just as easily be pushing her kids for exercise, but she prefers the company of her dog apparently.
The power of love is felt by everyone, except almost by definition, the sociopath. How is it ?felt?? As an awareness of the wonderful-ness that we have the ability - the blessed gift ? to give our love to another. We can only bask in the warmth of another?s love of us because we know what love is as an awareness of something we possess to give.
Mom loves her dog because she is desperate to have someone in her family love her. So she gives her love to ?her? dog. (Question whether anyone can ?own? an animal?)
Dogs are direct descendants of wolves. Wolves are vicious hunting and attack animals that fear no other animal because they naturally hunt in a pack. Wolves instinctively track prey, then run them down and claw and tear the prey apart.
考虑一下狼要经过多少改造?要使驯养的狗成为温顺、有爱心的狗,必须具备本能行为。家人,在小孩子身边我们不害怕的人?由于繁殖丧失了狼的本能,狗没有主人的帮助完全无法生存。狗完全依赖主人的食物、住所、照顾?一切:狗在驯化过程中是完全残疾的,但有一点是肯定的:不要以任何方式冒犯主人,否则主人可能会走开。
The ?look? in a dog?s face that the master takes to be ?loving,? is really the look of fear and terror over the possibility that the master might discontinue his/her support; but the master only sees ?love? in the dog?s face because that is what he/she wants the look to mean.

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Guest

Sunday, May 10, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

I find the distinction

我发现无条件的爱和无私的爱之间的区别是最有趣的。似乎无私的爱的行为,以及对我们最亲近的人的无私的性情是处理一段关系的一种神奇的方式。虽然完全无条件的爱不是真正理想的,因为我们总是会有想要的,需要和期望,但一般的无私的性格是。当然,这可以通过直接表达我们的期望来调和,并在必要时发出不赞成和渴望改变的信号。
非常有趣的是,无条件的爱和无私的爱是多么的不同,尤其是当无私的爱可以被选择性地表达时(我在想,如果它是选择性的,那它是否仍然是无私的?),尽管它们似乎代表着相似的思想。同样令人着迷的是,在“爱”这个概念中有这么多的子集。更奇妙的是,爱可以自私/无私、有条件/无条件地表达……一种阴/阳的动态…hmm

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MJA

Tuesday, May 12, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

Truth leads to the

utube : "I know something about love"
真理通向“一”的无条件之爱。自己,一个宇宙,一个就是一切。
Be true, Be One.
Love,
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Guest

Wednesday, May 13, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

I wonder about the potential

I wonder about the potential of unconditional love going too far. At what point does common respect for other human beings override love? Is it right to love someone unconditionally if they are causing the suffering of others? I can imagine this issue arising on a small or large scale: what if your lover is a great partner to you, but is also guilty of despicable crimes? What about the case of fanatical nationalism? I recall seeing trials of murderers where the killers' parents still stand behind them in support. In situations like this, how appropriate is unconditional love? At what point do we draw the line between our loved ones, and humanity as a whole?

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Dorje_jeff

Wednesday, May 13, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

Love Must be unconditional

Love Must be unconditional otherwise it is desire, attachment, and craving. The discussion demonstrates the relative ignorance of our western philosophy views. Authentic love = I want you to be happy. It is impossible for such an emotion to be conditional.

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John LaMuth

Wednesday, May 13, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

Latin translations of the New

新约圣经的拉丁文译本将原来的希腊语“agape”翻译为“博爱”,相当于英王詹姆斯版的英语主题“慈善”。阿加普最初指的是希腊语中的兄弟之爱,与厄洛斯(或激情之爱)相反:这一区别在后来的圣经语境中忠实地保留了下来。
The New Testament account of charity occurs in Chapter 13 of St. Paul?s First Letter to the Corinthians. Many modern versions of the New Testament prefer to substitute the related theme of love for charity, although this generalization fails to preserve the original distinctions in terms. Semantics aside, St. Paul extols charity as the greatest of the theological virtues, surpassing faith and hope in terms of moral excellence.

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Marc Bellario

Saturday, May 16, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

" What the world needs, now..

" What the world needs, now.. ". ( Love and concrete ). As bewildering as the reality
of physical light is to the mind, love is one step ahead of that. Anyway, it is my
opinion that the oneness which is inherent in the reality of all things is a strong
motivation for love and or compassion. But it also reflects this issue of the nature
爱是神秘的。Certainly an anchor point on the journey of life and
can be viewed also as the motive power in creation. Yet we can also speak
pragmatically of it. But, does the world need it, now? I can not deny that.
Great topic!
From Wikipedia: "In March 1965, DeShannon recorded Burt Bacharach and
Hal David's "What the World Needs Now Is Love"," ?

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Gary M Washburn

Sunday, May 17, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

Are we gonna next be asking

Are we gonna next be asking what color is our aura? (the answer depends on what kind of LSD you're on)
What is philosophical in the question? Love is a fascination with the conditional. The unconditional version is catechismal. The role of the idea in the historical dialectic is a weird confabulation between Christian faith and the devotion between fighting men in the feudal age. Both forms of "unconditional love" are pathological. The helicopter parent is not devoted, but paranoid, and guilt ridden for the inadequacy of their of understanding, let alone affection, for their child. But of course we put conditions on love, because conditionality is what love is. This is not the end of the story, but until these discussions become philosophical in a fuller sense nothing serious can even get started.

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Charles Osborne

Sunday, May 24, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

I think there is only one

I think there is only one kind of love that can be unconditional (and it applies to friends, family, lovers)--Augustine described it as the way God loves, which we are here to learn, and that is to wish for any person that they become righteous. I cannot learn to like horrible people, any more than I can learn to like the smell of rotten meat, but I can wish them to become good (and for Christians this means to be redeemed in joy forever). There could be no greater love than this, even though we might not like the person (and it applies to ourselves as well as to others). In this way I can love terrorists, child molesters, and mass murderers. But I could never enjoy the company of death camp guards, knowing what they did, unless both of us were seriously transformed.
And I think it is all right to apply this to a child or anyone close to us who might turn against us. I am not sure it works without the highest (and eternal) joy attached, though.

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Gary M Washburn

Monday, May 25, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

What the world needs now is..

What the world needs now is......., anonymous devotion?

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SarahStewart732

Thursday, May 28, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

Need to focus the right place

Need to focus the right place! usleatherfirm

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Or

Monday, June 8, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

To me, this so-called

To me, this so-called ?unconditional love? is simply an easy way to elude any share of responsibility in the way we shape our world. For example, in speaking about parental unconditional love, there is one example situation where a mother forgives her child, who has just killed an elderly person, and justifies her forgiveness as: ?he is my son and I love him.? Well, yes, he is your son and you love him, and he also killed an innocent? do you love that too? Why should love play any role in this situation in first place? This is not about love. Some see in this mom?s attitude the real thing, the true ?unconditional love,? and accept this mom?s behavior without criticism. My take on this is that unconditional love is a façade that conveniently allows unconditional lovers to not take any sensitive stands, to not face responsibility, to not act or intervene in certain situations. It allows unconditional lovers to become mere spectators and to push away problems or inconveniences. If I am an unconditional lover, why should I bother anyway about anything?
Wouldn?t society be in a better place if instead of rewarding the so-called unconditional love, which really doesn?t serve well lovers or loved ones, it rewarded accountability?

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Sara Jones

Tuesday, August 25, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

100% of love for your lover/

100% of love for your lover/ or maybe close member of your family or whatever but most used with a lover.
不管那个人如何对待你,或者他们对你做了什么,不管怎样,你都爱他们。你对他们的爱是无条件的。那些给予无条件的爱的人是这个世界上真正的英雄。
If you want to say "someone do my homework" from now it is easy and convenient

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rhoward@assisis...

Wednesday, October 28, 2015 -- 5:00 PM

I think love is fundamentally

I think love is fundamentally based on the vulnerability of the giver. For us to feel loved, the giver must offer a gift or themselves from a place of vulnerability.
比较爱和慈善。如果有人从安全的地方提供东西,我们称之为慈善。当有人在给予的同时却让自己变得脆弱时,我们称之为爱。例如,在施舍处为无家可归的人提供食物,我们认为这是慈善,因为我们付出了(时间、金钱、衣服、食物),但从一个安全的地方(柜台后面,我们回家。和无家可归的人坐在一起,和他们一起吃饭,给他们自己的衣服,这就是爱。正是第二个人的脆弱对我们产生了影响。What makes an act of giving and act of love is when the giver gives from a place of vulnerability.
我认为这就是爱的本质定义。如果一个人是在脆弱的地方给予,我们会认为这是爱。施与者必须对受与者脆弱,他们的行为才能被感受到爱。认为有人知道吗?

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Zeneth Culture

Thursday, December 10, 2015 -- 4:00 PM

In life the many decisions

在生活中,你所做的许多简单的决定都是基于你对某一主题的知识深度。

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Guest

Monday, December 14, 2015 -- 4:00 PM

It is interesting to me to

It is interesting to me to see that this blog continues to have such interesting comments. I am the main person who was interviewed in the original radio broadcast. I continue to explore compassionate love - academically, in books and articles, and personally. I am currently involved in a research project looking at how self-giving love is freely expressed in our ordinary days via a smartphone study...and how it interacts with other things such as stress in our lives, and am writing up the results together with others. More to come.
I also blog on this topic athttp://www.lynnunderwood.com/category/compassionate-love/and you may find some thoughts there of interest for this discussion. This kind of self-giving love is not easy to define, or easy to find.

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MPTorres

Tuesday, March 8, 2016 -- 4:00 PM

Dear Sir,

Dear Sir,
may I respectfully ask you to kindly consider "who' the Lord Christ was addressing when he mentioned the Law (which actually is Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbor as yourself.) That is very important because the Law was not given to make great lovers out of us. The purpose of the Law, including loving God and loving our neighbor as ourselves, is to show that we are terrible at it. Not only are we terrible at loving God and others, but we have a need to be loved and accepted. More even so, we are terrible at loving God and others, have a need to be love and accepted but only God himself can meet those needs in us.
According to the Word of God (Romans) the Law was given to condemn us, not to liberate us. Instead, it is both God's love and His Spirit that liberates us. If we seek to obey the Law of Sin and Death and try to do what the Law commands, we will find out that the Law actually produces more sin. That is, if the Law says love, we would not love. Therefore, when we live in the pursuit of the Law we are slaves to sin. Meaning, sin is our Master, and if sin is our Master, we wouldn't love because love is not a virtue of the sinful.
I find it marvelous that you mention "it is important to stress, though, that unconditional love is a gift, not an entitlement. Nobody really deserves our unconditional love. Nobody has the right to demand that you love them selflessly." - That is so true. It is also true that God is not under any obligation to love us unconditionally. Yet, He is the only one capable of such, the only one capable to meet that need in us, and has given us the gift of His love; though we do not deserve it.
So, when Christ spoke about our need to obey the Law, it was not so that we should work harder to become obedient lovers, since that would be in vain. But it was so that we could recognize our need for His forgiveness, His love and His Life; because it is only through those (His forgiveness, His love and His Life) that His love can be manifested in us, both to love Him and others as ourselves.

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MPTorres

Tuesday, March 8, 2016 -- 4:00 PM

In my experience, if someone

In my experience, if someone is physically hungry, he/she is not likely attuned with the vulnerability of the giver love. If you are hungry you want to eat.
我不太在乎给予的过分资格。当然,有时候你应该运用智慧……但是,如果有人需要,你可以给予;然后,给予,然后继续。如果有人需要而你不能给予;那么,不要放弃,继续前进。如果有机会并且渴望坐下来谈谈,那就坐下来谈谈。如果不是,那就放手去做;或者,不放手就走。要尊重和有尊严地对待别人,因为在厨房里喝汤的无家可归的人就像来看望他的好撒玛利亚人一样脆弱,如果不是更多的话。